Blackironindustries Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Hello, I have been using a Daemon Prince with Lash of Submission and my opponents have been unhapy by its affect, as I am sure you can all guess. Although most of thier complaints were along the lines of "no way" and "that is so . . . ", there was one question that did make me think. When using the Lash it states that "the target is moved 2D6 inches by the chaos player", but does this mean that you have to move the whole unit to a new location on the board in the same formation or can you move a character to the front, bunch the unit up (so that a template wpn will have greater effect) or move them into any formation? So people what do we think? Thanks for reading! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 It is a move, so you can change "formation" to anything you want. Hell, you can make a square. Or a circle. Fun shapes with lash ftw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 first of all . we dont know how lash works because Gw decided its going to be "fun" to make FAQs unofficial rules. but does this mean that you have to move the whole unit to a new location on the board in the same formation If that was true then you better have a robot ready because there is no way your going put the models in the same formations 2d6" away . Its one of those "and the game crashes" moments. move them into any formation? thats what is used by most people for sake of sanity and yes if a character is the part of the unit then you can move it the same way as any other model in that unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackironindustries Posted February 26, 2009 Author Share Posted February 26, 2009 Iron_Chaos_Brute - you could make chaos symbols when you move them! This could lead to a new trend. :) Thats cool I was just checking, man this is an evil power. What a shame it is just for chaos hahaha. Anyone got any tips on some good placing of moved units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsPug Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Hi Don't play Chaos Marines but the obvious one is to put the unit into dangerous terrain, takes a dangerous terrain test going in, and one going out too. Had a guy pull that on my bikes once. Or if you can walk a heavy weapon unit out of LOS, wastes a turn of them firing, and with the range on the lash you should be able to get his Devastators with it on turn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d00m1n80r Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Iron_Chaos_Brute Anyone got any tips on some good placing of moved units? Pile 'em in a circle and then sprinkle some plasma cannon on top of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Depends on your other units in the army. You could move the unit closer to your berzerkers so they can charge the unit, or bunch them up and put as many blasts on them as possible. Moving it to dangerous terrain for dangerous terrain tests is one of the worst uses ive heard of.... Move them out of cover!! Then low ap weapons will have maxium effect of course. You could also keep an enemy assault unit at distance so you can shoot longer on it with sonic blasters for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-S6 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Does the rule say "move them 2d6" or "up to 2d6". If it's the former then they'd have to stay in roughly the same formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cursed11 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 The lash doesnt require any kind of tactical thinking becouse its so overpowered that its crazy. If your going to use lash then take 9 oblis and lash groups togethers for plasma cannons. Lash is le lame and im a chaos player my self. PALL = People agains lame lashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOGGED Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 But... Lash is a fantastic thing! I like to lash beakies and put 'em in collision inminent place for the zerkers or slaanesh claw termies to crack 'em... I for one don't complain about lash (except for lists where the only slaanesh mini is the lash one). It's cool and after all it's just a tool, like tank IG lists, SM new special characters or the likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Democratus Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 The FAQ does a good job at explaining how the Lash is supposed to work. The target is moved just like in the Movement phase except the maximum distance it can move is determined by the dice roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 only our beloved GW decided that FAQs are non longer official rules , only studio house rules . Effectivlly no man knows how it works . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidren2401 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Anyone got any tips on some good placing of moved units? Play Apocalypse. Vortex Grenade + Lash = One happy chaos player :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevianID Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Yes the FAQs are not rules (unlike erratas) however to tell a player that they should not use the FAQ--which explains exactly how lash works--for a less clear defination that contrasts with how everyone else plays it, is a really bad idea. Yes Lash is broken powerful and should probably be restricted/banned all together for the sake of fair play (along with a lot of other stuff); however if you go to any kind of organized play, they WILL follow the FAQ AND allow twin lash. So basicly to deviate from this method means you wish to play by house rules--which is fine if both players agree and understand they are no longer playing the same way everyone else is. And finally, if you are in a tourney situation then you get what you get, but in friendly games, if you feel strongly about lash, why play it with it or against it in the first place? Games are a 2 way street... instead of changing the rules that you dont like why not play a different HQ? There is certianly more than winged lash princes and biker lash sorcs in the chaos marine book to pick as your HQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Lash is le lame and im a chaos player my self. PALL = People agains lame lashing I'm with you. I REALLY miss the previous codex. It was fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevianID Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I'm with you. I REALLY miss the previous codex. It was fantastic. I know a lot (A LOT) of people that disagree... did you ever have the pleasure of fighting 2 siren princes? Or any cheesed iron warrior list? The previous book's power builds were NOT balanced, nor fun to play against, and very confusing due to all the variant lists and wargear. The new book, with the single exception of lash of submission, is much better. The way it was described to me, the best system for 40k would be a magic style tourney system, where there are different levels of play and many cards that are banned or restricted. If such as system was instated, lash for example would be either banned or restricted to 1 only. Basicly, any time a build popped up that simply dominated, it would be banned and/or limited. Nob bikers, for example, would be limited to 1 unit, well before it went on to win 3 some GTs, Pedro Kantor would be banned, lash princes would be restricted to 1, checkerboarding would be banned, kustom force fields would be banned, ect ect. The goal is that anything that exceeds a certian power level is banned or restricted so as not to upset balance. Obviously such a system is based on mutual consent for friendly games or is part of the tourney packet. I know the UK heat FAQ changed several rules, such as the checkerboarding rule. I think we need more restriction for organized play, but opposition to change is tough to overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutt-Man! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Dont forget daemon bombing with power weapon power armor totting daemons. Oh and my favorite, AV14 predators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cursed11 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The previous book was a bit over powered yes but it had something this book doesnt have...variety. I can go for a sorc with a psy power, lord with a demon weapon or a prince, i can custom equip my lord with demon powers and what have you witch was a shame in the new codex but its a good codex never the less. I really really really love the fact that your basic marine got both CC weapons and a bolter PLUS nades for just 15 points. Oh and back to lash, its still pritty lame and can be abused in some pritty nasty ways, plus people dont like it when you dont have control of your own models and I have to agree. Ps. This is writen 0400 in the morning so please dont mind the misspelling :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 What is checkerboarding ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askari Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 An idiotic "tactic" of mixing units together so that they give each other cover saves from all shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Of Malfeasance X Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I've been using the lash for about six months and it is a fantastic tactical tool. Naysayers are a pain, but what most people miss is that your HQ slot, which should be a close combat, tip of the spear powerhouse is relegated to sticking out of a rhino ordering the enemy around. If he's lashing, he's not in combat which is where he makes his points back. If he's in combat, he's not lashing. Besides, how else do you kill storm shield spam, or Eldrad's seer council of doom? Plasma guns? Please! You have your uber units and us chaos players have ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hereticus Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 O = Orks, X = Grots X X X X X X X X X X X X X O O O O O O O O O O O X X X X X X X X X X X X X O O O O O O O O O O O This is checkerboarding, mixing two units into each other so they give each other cover saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused_gordy Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Does anyone actually checker board? We've all thought of it and heard of it, but ive never seen it used, does it really happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dràyhèn Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Only those who really want to win at all costs and play like some tournament players do that. No, haven't seen it used neither. Not a real problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0NEW0LF Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 checkerboarding is more prevelent within then tourney scene but flame templates love checkerboards ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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