Krieghammer Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 As it is known to me, only Justicars and higher ranks amongst the Grey Knights are allowed to display their personal heraldry on their armour (on those small sheilds). My question is then, is it "fluff-wise" correct for the avarage PAGK do have hereldry painted upon the shoulderpad? (i am now speaking of the "left" shoulder, the one without the book on it) The alternative would be to just paint em White/red/black as that is the chapters colours, or just red.. I am atm painting some pagk and just got confronted by this.. so before making any moves i decided to consult u guys. what u say? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 All members of a PAGK squad use the same hereldry as their Justicar. I assume that as each GK advances, he adds his own marks to this hereldry making it his own, so that when he becomes a Justicar/Terminator, he is displaying his own personal hereldry. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1901987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauren Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 There is absolutely nothing wrong with knights displaying their own heraldry on their armor... Each knight is his own person, and while squad markings may be similar I don't think they are required to display the same heraldry on their shoulder as their justicar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 All members of a PAGK squad use the same hereldry as their Justicar. excuse me but that is just plain silly. the heraldry on a knights shoulder )or the little shield for that matter) is devided in two segments: one for the squads actions since he has been in it and the other for his own. well that makes you half right doesn't it :lol: because the justicar and his squad have half of the pad the same and the other half is individual. this is a great way of squad markings on pagk by the way. uncle mel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 excuse me but that is just plain silly. the heraldry on a knights shoulder )or the little shield for that matter) is devided in two segments: one for the squads actions since he has been in it and the other for his own. Uh-uh. Squad Heraldry goes on the Shoulder, Personal Heraldry goes on the little shield. That's why GKTs all come with the little shield. I suppose you could model your PAGKs with the little shields too and give them personal heraldry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Codex: Daemonhunter, inside the rear cover, under the entry titled Insignium Valorus (which has a line extending to the shield device on the Grey Knight's left pauldron): "The shoulder-mounted shield on a Grey Knight's armour is used to display heraldry. Warriors clad in Terminator armour are entitled to bear their own personal heraldry, while those in Power armour display their squad markings." SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauren Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 *shrug* I still don't believe it because at the same time grey knights just like basic marines are allowed their own personal choices when it comes to armor. They are issued armor and its their job to take care of it, which often leads to modifications within reason and personal paint jobs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 And yet each PA marine in the codex has his own unique shoulder pad... They all seem to be variations of the colours Black, Red and White - admittedly, the part on the inside back cover mentioned above confuses things slightly, but hey, this is Games Workshop... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauren Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Yea... basically. Its not even really a uniform because even among marines their armor is different. They are all gonna be different depending on honors they are given, what they carry with them equipment wise and purity seals and what is written on them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaelion Hexis Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I was always of the opinion that PAGK displayed the markings, unit honours, as well as any personal honours, of that one unit. As they work their way through the ranks, they are permitted a little more personalisation. I still don't believe it because at the same time grey knights just like basic marines are allowed their own personal choices when it comes to armor. Well, marines are just ruffians compared to the eliteism of the Grey Knights. Grey Knights can be compared to marines only in that they are produced the same way. They are a completely seperate entity, so it is not always best to compare the two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauren Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Actually you have it the other-way around. Grey Knights have thee most allowance when it comes to personal armor modification because unlike other marines that have to follow a specific set of rules, Grey Knights are given the privilege of being singular in nature and attitude. That's why their names are written on their armor, each is an individual of impeccable quality. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I remember when Grey Knights were first being released in 40K; they were rumored to be a chapter of librarians. Everyone was so excited! "Do we paint them all blue?!" Well ... they aren't exactly librarians. I personally think they have the best looking terminator armor in the game; their power armor looks okay. To the OP, yes, I believe it is fluffy to have individual heraldry on the right shoulder pad, if you so wish to do so. I see Brother Captain's setting their own standard for their hand-picked strike forces; i.e., make them your own! SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauren Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 *shifty eyes* Yep, if I ever get a hold of a whole BFG space marine fleet for cheap I plan to convert the ships before I paint them... will be interestin to get to install wing/fins on them for little free-hand ship heraldry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1904833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Crucius Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 the codex allows them to have their personal heraldry on their right shoulder pad on power armoured grey knights Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1936178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 the codex allows them to have their personal heraldry on their right shoulder pad on power armoured grey knights aha! so i am not crazy after all!... or am i? ;) anyway, just do what you think looks cool, i doubt anyone would point at your GKT and say "hey their heraldry on the right shoulders is all different! that is wrong!" mel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161883-pagk-shoulderpad/#findComment-1938068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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