Border Prince Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Who drive the Space Wolves Leman Russes? Is it Guardsmen or Marines in scout armour that drive these tanks? I can hardly imagnie a Marine wearing full power armour driving a tank like the Russ, it would be to crammed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickme829 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 wolves who drank too much beer drive them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1901671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 All SW vehicles are manned by Grey Hunters. Even that there is no proof, i think that our Iron Priests modify our LRE so that we need less crew and that our crew can link-up with the vehicle´s maschine spirit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1901677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Remember too brothers, the models are not to scale and a Leman Russ model is smaller than what it should be. Take for instance the Rhino....how in the name of Russ' sacred left butt cheek could 10 power armorered Space Marines fit in the back of that? It would probibly be cramped even if you didn't take size ratios into the discussion. However the combat discipline would be such that a Space Wolf (Grey Hunter or Iron Priest) would be able to sit there for quite awhile in the cramped space. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1901770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Okay, unless you have fluff that states Grey Hunters drive tanks, I disagree. I believe the Space Wolves tanks are operated by Long Fangs, as they would have the benefit of a small pack and heavy weapon expertise. The Russ is modelled too small and is probably cramped inside, but I think power armored marines can still operate efficiently inside it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Well there is no "official" fluff from GW as far as I'm aware however if you count the Space Wolf books then Grey Hunters are selected or volunteer for other training and duties (i.e. Thunderhawk pilots, armor, etc) A Long Fang is trusted in the fluff (Codex) with the man-portable heavy weapons and the skills needed to place them properly and use them with optimum effeciency. Vehicle operators can be trained in the use and gain the skills needed as they go into battle, as they get better they are moved up the ranks (i.e. crew for superior Space Wolf vehicles and becoming commanders in their own right) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Actually I have to agree with the Grey Hunter idea.... after all what do you do when you have four grey hunters left? Give them a landraider to pilot, or a couple of attack bikes! Genius. And with all the different vehicles that are needed for many successful campaigns its likely there simply arent enough long fangs to fill all those positions. Especially when were talking about razorabacks etc. EDIT: I know how we can solve this one! BEEF! I summon THEE! <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 in the blackmane novels ragnar often talks to sven about applying for training in flying one of the chapters thunderhawks to which sven mokes him thinking hes a coward for which ragnar rebuffs that he believes he would enjoy the freedom of flight. i think i remember this from the first one novel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Fenrisian Wolves, yes the wolf wolves, who have been naughty and don't get to hang out outside. They's dun smart tankerz! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Whats important is that they are spacewolves and benefit from the acute senses rule so have fun re-rolling those spot light rolls. WG Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Whats important is that they are spacewolves and benefit from the acute senses rule so have fun re-rolling those spot light rolls. WG Vrox ... what? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 he has a point... i wonder how that arguement would go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnarRedsun Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 well it does say all space wolf models benifit from the applicable rules...now how can i get the ven dread to countercharge without leadership... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fore_Russ_and_The_Wolftime Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 well if i remember i read on lexicanium something about the tanks being driven by marines but i dont know if it was grey hunters, i agree with the point that a space wolf would probably be selected or voulenteer for the training to drive a vehicle but yeah i have modeled my exterminator with a marine on top nut i am working on a space wolf wearing carpace armor as an alternative commander and i also painted the original tank commander with a grey uniform just in case i wanted to use it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Space Wolves drive the Leman Russ, and they will invariably always be Grey Hunters as Blood Claws don't recieve advanced training like that. After all why take the time to train them when most are going to die before their whiskers turn grey anyway? And the drivers always wear Power Armor even the Thunderhawk Pilots. Sure the Leman Russ is cramped but what takes four or five Guardsmen could be done by just two Space Wolves I'd imagine fairly comfortably, toss out all the seats and restraining belts and what not and strip out anything else that gets in the way and isn't usefull and let the two Wolves go at it. Also I believe the reason we have the Exterminator and not a normal Russ is because there's no room for all the normal Russ stuff and ammo and the Wolf crew. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ra1stl1n Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Ye i think i've seen it somewhere that SW got the exterminator because for example the equipment required for lascannons/plasma reactors couldn't fit with the wolves in it. And also its grey hunters that operate them based on the ragnar novel.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I've always used the principle that the bigger and more valuable a Tank is then the higher ranking the Wolves who crew it are. So my Rhinos/Razorbacks/Land Speeders are crewed by Grey Hunters, the Preds/Whirlies/Vindies etc are crewed by Long Fangs, and the Crusader and Prometheous are crewed by Long Fangs and Wolf Guard as they are the most treasured and powerful tanks, and so must have the best available crew. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Well in a way you are right there Vass but they all started as armor crews as Grey Hunters I'm willing to bet....and as they mature and better their skills they are given command of larger more powerful vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisUlf Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I've read all the codexes, all the fluff, and anything I can get my hands on over the years. Drivers of any sort seem to be different from chapter to chapter. Most I've read use servitors to drive, occasionally serfs, and every once in a while an actual Marine or Scout. I'm inclined to believe the servitor route, only 'cos of the Mechanicum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I've read all the codexes, all the fluff, and anything I can get my hands on over the years. Drivers of any sort seem to be different from chapter to chapter. Most I've read use servitors to drive, occasionally serfs, and every once in a while an actual Marine or Scout. I'm inclined to believe the servitor route, only 'cos of the Mechanicum. No Chapter uses serfs or servitors that I've ever seen, the IA break down's and the Forge World crews especially have all marine crews. I don't know where you got material on servitors driving Marine tanks, sometimes they're used to control guns in large vehicles but not always. A Thunderhawk for instance is piloted by two marines and then has a crew of gunners and a tech priest, the gunners being either serfs or servitors but the actual pilots/drivers are always marines and most vehicles are fully crewed by marines. Hense why all SM Vehicles have a ballistic skill of 4 and not 3 because the crew is Space Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Also, FenrisUlf, there are no actual Adeptus Mechanicum adepts in Space Marine vehicles (with the exception of maybe Thunderhawks, although I tend to believe that the sensor station would be man'd by an Iron Priest/Techmarine rather than a Mechanicum adept or the like). Space Marines send some Marines to Mars to learn the ways of the Mechanicum and therefore fullfil the role of maintaining/repairing vehicles and whatnot. That is as close as the Adeptus Mechanicum gets to a Space Marine vehicle after production. As for servitors or serfs, they would possibly be given the role of gunners as Vash has stated. Other than that they would not crew a Space Marine vehicle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1902834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordKejl Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 OKay my fellow wolves...the old man Fenrisian has come to throttle you with lessons of old. Its states very specifically, that all vehicles are manned by grey hunter in our dex. Tsk Tsk..for not knowing that. Do we need to get you back in the study cogitators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1904315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 OKay my fellow wolves...the old man Fenrisian has come to throttle you with lessons of old. Its states very specifically, that all vehicles are manned by grey hunter in our dex. Tsk Tsk..for not knowing that. Do we need to get you back in the study cogitators? I thought that i mentioned already in post#3. :P But you´re right, it seems that our young pups don´t listen any longer to their rune priests. *Turns around and move grumbling and mumbling away....* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1904347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisUlf Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 ...*makes a mental note to can the Ale while posting* Thank you sir! *salutes smartly, bashing self in the head with mug* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1904349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I've read all the codexes, all the fluff, and anything I can get my hands on over the years. Drivers of any sort seem to be different from chapter to chapter. Most I've read use servitors to drive, occasionally serfs, and every once in a while an actual Marine or Scout. I'm inclined to believe the servitor route, only 'cos of the Mechanicum. From Imperial Armour Vol.2 Space Marines and Forces of the Inquisition The crew for armoured vehicles are all full SM, and are often reffered to as Custodians of a vehicle. Most crews are drawn from the Tactical squads of the Chapters 6th and 7th Companies. All SM have some training in the use of armoured vehicles. Driving Rhinos and armoured formations tactics are part of a recruit´s basic training. Later, SM specialise in armoured operations and tactics, being trained in the operation of larger vehicles and basic maintenance. All SM vehicles are fitted with spinal interfaces which a Custodian plugs into their powered armour and Black Carapace allowing a SM to become part of his vehicle, giving him an intuitive "feel" for a vehicles control and systems Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161884-tank-drivers/#findComment-1904373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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