GunnarRedsun Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 ok, so i'm working on my wolf chars, and i need some runes. but to be honest, i don't know which ones are associated with nazis, and which aren't. i've noticed that some other people have the same problem, so i figured "hey! lets compile all the runes we know are safe together!" so i guess thats what i hope to do. the only one i can think of off the top of my head is Tir, and it goes on the unsafe list, as i've seen more than one racist group use it in symbols. so...there we go. any wolf, i can't wait to see what there is. cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Sorry bra, but...:cuss? Runes and Nazis? Who actively knows whats associated with what? and thats the first ive ever heard of Nazi specific runes.......or are you being in jest about it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnarRedsun Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 @ lunchb0x no, actually, i've seen and heard of several nazi groups using certain runes quite prominatly in their imagry. the reason i know about the Tir one, is because i remember the group in the area i used to live in had a modified crucifix with a nazi on tir. i saw that a lot in my old high school. and i know that the runes themselves don't mean or have much real affiliation with nazis, but personally, having been beaten and attacked by them for years, i want as little to do with them as possible, so i was just hoping to find out if anyone else knew of any runes oft times associated with nazis, or nazi groups. i really wish this were in jest, but unfortuantly i'm not. its really just personal preference. but being from a non white ethnic group, i want as little to do with people that want me dead or gone as possible :). anyways, i hope that clears it up mate Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 No rune in the SW codex is related with Nazi's (for that matter any symbol the Nazi's took was stolen from somewhere) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flintlocklaser Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 The ADL has a pretty good section of their website that covers Nazi and neo-Nazi hate symbols, but they seem to be doing some site maintenance at the moment. When it's back up I'll post a link. The good thing about their site is that it has a pretty good breakdowns of the 'negative' uses of the symbols, and also differentiates some of the ones (like the many runes used as symbols by the Nazis and current hate groups) that also have legitmate uses, either historical or among the neo-pagan and new age groups. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 The Futhark runic alphabet is a fairly safe bet - it's the Indo-European tongue which crops up most heavily in the Nordic countries, Britain (they conquered bits of us) and yes, some areas of Germany. However, in no significant way are runic letters associated with the Nazis. Yes, they nicked bits of it but the swastika is a Hindi symbol of rebirth... So I wouldn't lose much sleep over it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnarRedsun Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 wow two things. first, thanks a lot for the information, and secondly wow i'm suprise at how many people posted so fast. obviously people have thought about this before (that or i'm just lucky and a lot of people are on, i don't know which). i do understand that other than the swatstika, none of the symbols are nazi symbols, its just a personal feeling, that i want as little to do with those people as possible. The other thing is that i do know that a number of the images and such are used by them, and i really just want to try and shy away from those, thats really all i'm going for i suppose. I spent so long, and such a signifigant chunk of my life fighting them, and speaking out against racism, i just want to keep it as far from my wolves as possible. so thanks again guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I´m german so i know the problem very well. There´re some runes that are still used by nazis like the Teiwaz and the Sowelu rune. In general there is nothing wrong to use the Furthak runes for your SW. All you need is to prevent the use the runes in certain combinations or alone. For example the Teiwaz rune is used by the Thor Steiner company. They sells clothes normaly worn by people of the neo-nazi scene. Or two Sowelu (the symbol of the SS). I had used the Futhark runes on the caps of all of my non-Blood Claws. Not in a special order or with a special meaning (even that every rune has a special meaning). I also made me a set of all 25 runestones from steatite. I use them everytime i field my SW into battle and in from of my opponent to see what the future will bring. Most the time the runes promised me victory and i always let my opponent know that. A littlebit of psycholocical warfare that works very well. If you want to know more of the runes take a look here: Runes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnarRedsun Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 thanks a lot for the info dark bjoern. good to know i'm not alone. anything else you guys have would be great, not just for me, but for anyone else out there, so please keep the info and links coming! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 This is one of the best sites Ive found on runes that shows them in any detail. www.sunnyway.com/runes/ Seriously if someone brings up nazis when looking at runes on a space wolf my first question has to be "Why? Are you a skin-head or something?". Its kind of like the subliminal message pictures.... if your not thinking about it then its not there. I use runes, and reference their meanings when I do, on my wolves. I even use some "bindrunes" or combined runes on the more important figures.... though Im still waiting for someone to do a decent helm of awe on their HQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 lol, are you guys serious?=/ i'm pretty sure i used the nazi S or the Sowelu on several models i believe heck i even made some guard models based on the SS officers because i like the look of their uniform, does that make me a nazi?=/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combat_Vet Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Don't get bent out of shape about your use of runes people. Make your wolves how you want and be a friendly player. Nobody in thier right mind will think you are a bonehead. Start throwing the swazi on your banners and expect people to not play against you. I really do not put thought into what I have on my wolves as far as runes go. I just try to mix the imagry of the vikings with the imagry of the marines. Better days, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 @ lunchb0x no, actually, i've seen and heard of several nazi groups using certain runes quite prominatly in their imagry. the reason i know about the Tir one, is because i remember the group in the area i used to live in had a modified crucifix with a nazi on tir. i saw that a lot in my old high school. and i know that the runes themselves don't mean or have much real affiliation with nazis, but personally, having been beaten and attacked by them for years, i want as little to do with them as possible, so i was just hoping to find out if anyone else knew of any runes oft times associated with nazis, or nazi groups. i really wish this were in jest, but unfortuantly i'm not. its really just personal preference. but being from a non white ethnic group, i want as little to do with people that want me dead or gone as possible :tu:. anyways, i hope that clears it up mate They have Nazis in Lynnwood? Seriously...ive never heard of that stuff going on...and I grew up all over WA, from Seattle to Tacompton, to Camas...and the other half of my life I grew up in Texas...I moved every 2 years between TX and WA. So your ref. is more of the newer brand of ignorant idiots? If thats the case I see where your coming from. Just use the traditional runes, don't modify them, that should work. OR go pick up the dwarf army book and use the ones they show there...i think it still has the rune alphabet in it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Unfortuneatly the northwest does have a number of neo-nazis. Their old headquarters was in idaho, and alot of them came up here to the more sparsely populated areas and settled in. Theres also alot less ethnicities around here.... its primarily white, followed a long drop down by asian or native depending on your area. My own highschool had upwards of 600 students before I graduated and was considered progressive and cosmopolitan because wed had five black students in four years and there were two others in the primary. Such numbers were unheard of.... *Shrugs* Ive lived on both coasts, denver, and southern california because I had a single mother whos an ex-bikerchick so Ive seen about every color size and shape a human comes in except pigmy aboriginal. Im looking forward to that one. But TYR?! The rune tyr means justice. And personally Gunnr its one of my favorites. Im proud to say its on one of my greyhunter packs in fact. Use the runes you want, dont be dissuaded by the crack-heads. If the symbolism of an older culture is being profaned by them then think of it as a chance to redeem those symbols. After all these kinds of people tend to be fixated on those symbols, they need the constant reassurance of them. Give people other ideas to their meanings... more accurate ones please... and youll rob them of alot of their plublicity. After all if no-one knew what a swastika was in your county, besides some obscure reference to hindu mythos and gave them all funny looks and asked them about buddhism.... well theyd probly feel a bit awkward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Nazi Runes??? I say forget what the Neo-Nazi's are banging on about and do what you please, don't let them ruin anything for you least of all something as obscure as rune signs and if anyone takes offense tell them it's a game not a hate rally and to get over it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnarRedsun Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 @lunchb0x yes there are nazis in lynnwood. in fact, somewhere in the area there is a nazi fricking school (i heard several people talking about it in jack in the box one day). its a sad truth, and a deeply disturbing one, but heck there are nazis living down the road from me. in fact i know of several nazis that play 40k in the area. they are constantly getting kicked out of stores, but when i worked at the bunker, we had a group of them coming in (culminating in an incident involving SS pdfd and KKK redemptionists in a necromunda league that finally got them banned). unfortunatly they are around me, and they are around here. i know they don't tend to pop up as much in the south seattle area, but i'm in north seattle. i hope this explains some of my reluctance to use certain runes. also thanks again for everyone's input. i do want you all to know i'm not trying to let a bunch of backwards minded people destroy something as beautiful as my wolves, its just a fact of life around me. the last thing i want, is to be branded one of those people, and be unable to get games, and thrash people ya know? (i wanna be unable to get games from fear instead :D) anywolf, thanks again mates, much love Gunnar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1902992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickme829 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 warhammer turns into WORLD WAR 2 YER ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1903010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnarRedsun Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 indeed. i think kickme is right. a little bit much talk about nazis and not enough about wolves ;). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1903013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Necromunda Redemptionist KKK....like that was that far of a stretch to see that done? :ermm: SS = Cadians in grey LOLOL That is sad that Seattle is going that way, then again I lived in Lakewood...near hill top...and if your from WA you know what those places are like! LOLOL Like Vash said, dont let some small minded idiots ruin your Wolves. Plus , Wolves are better then racists, they hate only Xenos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1903119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyPrawny Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 But they hate them all indiscriminately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1903130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnarRedsun Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 indeed, but in refrence to the redemptionists and the ss, i wish it was as simple as a paint scheme. the guys really went all out, and hand sculpted quite a bit. still, i don't want these people to ruin my wolves, i just don't want negative images on my models. its hard to explain why i feel like this. its just...so many years of derogitory language, getting beaten, pulled over, and so much more because of the color of my skin, i just don't want it in my wolves, ya know? its not going to ruin them, and they aren't going to make me love my wolves any less, i just can't bring myself to have negative images on them, when the people using them still harass me, and assault me and my family through different means to this day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1903200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Well, when it gets down to it, grab Bran with his frost club or exterminatussock to smash some idiot skulls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1903246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
krispy the klown Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 sun crosses are one you probably want to avoid Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1903276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnarRedsun Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 thanks Krispy, and indeed, i would love to grab bran and his implements of smashy death for this, i truly would. still, the school i've given most of them (and then being able to rub in their face that i'm not white) is plenty of satisfaction. now i just need to beat that one guard player...(who by the way pointed out a rune i had sculpted on a model which was the inspiration for all this. i hate some people...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1903329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Grimfang Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 sun crosses are one you probably want to avoid Sun Wheel, etc. They are older than the Nazi Heritage era as are ALL runes no matter where the originate from. The 13th Co. Rune Priest has the Odal Rune sculpted onto him. Runes are most commonly connected to Nazi's buy those that are ignorant or not in the know. They are then exaggerated by places like the ADL who attribute them to neo-nazi movements. Did you know that the 60's "Peace" sign is actually the "Death" rune? Runes get F'd up. Its unfortunate. Use runes as much as you like, thats what they are there for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161940-runes/#findComment-1903380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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