JEFF4i Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Nathaniel Garro: Captain of the 7th Company of the Death Guard. Loyal to the Emperor, despite his Primarch's traitorousness. Showed great valor in escaping Istvaan. Known as a very straight and norrow Marine, he has shown incredible fortitude and capacity for battle. Clad in MKIV Power Armour, with Power Sword Libertas. Mhotep: Secretly a psyker of the most powerful psychic legion (The Thousand Sons) at the time, given that they practiced it against the Emperor's will. Some would argue that he is loyal, given that he did defend loyal legions against the Warp. Let's be honest, this guy has some pretty impressive psychic abilities, going into people's minds, stopping daemons, the good stuff. He's also crafty, having escaped many close brushes with death. Presumably also in power armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 My pick? Garro is clever, but so is Mhotep...Garro has the melee capability to beat him, if he gets there. On the other hand, Garro's battles through his trials via the Eisenstein have shown his excellent ability as a warrior. Garro is also old school, been fighting with the Death Guard when they were the Dusk Raiders. I have to say, given his experience...gotta go with Garro. He's old school, strong, cunning, and who knows where his exploits ended? Oh, safe to say last week's winner was Sigismund. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshal seanisi Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Ok we know Garrow took the Eisenstien and fled to bring the news of hearesy to Rogal Dorn. And we know he is a master tactician. But after reading the Battle for the Abyss I would have to go with Mhotep. His Psychic ability was so powerfull at the time that he was able to fend off warp beasts!!!! Mhotep wins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantDaKiller Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Beat me to it this week. Oh well............ Anyway why are there both loyalists fighting each other this week?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serraphim Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I thought it was supposed to be loyalist vs traitor?? Any way, between the two Mhotep is the clear winner. His supreme psyker abilities, plus the fact that he fought that Daemon Prince in hand to hand and ended up winning. And everyone knows that the Thousand Sons are far better than Death Guard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badaboom Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Actually, the only enemy who bested Garro was an alien psyker, so I´m afraid I go for Imhotep, unless the strenght of will of Captain Garro proves strong enough... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 Beat me to it this week. Oh well............ Anyway why are there both loyalists fighting each other this week?? I'd hardly call breaking the Council of Nikea loyalist, I just said the argument could be made. Let's face it, had he lived, his butt woulda been toast. And he didn't beat a Daemon Prince, they drew. I just picked Garro for the possibility of a little contrast, since I knew almost everyone would pick Mhotep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I would say that Garro would have a good chance. With his faith in the Emperor he might pull off a Keeler and fry Mhotep. I still liked both though. Close call. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Mhotep hands down.. Garro got ripped up by a warsinger.. Mhotep took on a lot off warpspawn filth on his own.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobo Willie Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think you guys are forgetting what happened aboard the Eisenstein in warp transit. Or on the surface of Luna. Garro, by the end of the novel, showed the ability to overcome psychic phenomena. I'm gonna go with Garro. Also, as for saying Mhotep is a traitor, I completely disagree. By all accounts, Magnus and the Thousand Sons were one of the most devoutly loyal Legions prior to the razing of Prospero and more than likely would have fought Horus' followers to the end. Ignoring the Council of Nikea does not mean that they were just waiting for their chance to put it to the Emperor. The Thousand Sons have always been a "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" type of thing. In this particular case, Mhotep, despite knowing that he'd be brought forth as a traitor should they all succeed and win, still went about fighting the Word Bearers. I'd say he's a loyalist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think you guys are forgetting what happened aboard the Eisenstein in warp transit. Or on the surface of Luna. Garro, by the end of the novel, showed the ability to overcome psychic phenomena. I'm gonna go with Garro. Also, as for saying Mhotep is a traitor, I completely disagree. By all accounts, Magnus and the Thousand Sons were one of the most devoutly loyal Legions prior to the razing of Prospero and more than likely would have fought Horus' followers to the end. Ignoring the Council of Nikea does not mean that they were just waiting for their chance to put it to the Emperor. The Thousand Sons have always been a "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" type of thing. In this particular case, Mhotep, despite knowing that he'd be brought forth as a traitor should they all succeed and win, still went about fighting the Word Bearers. I'd say he's a loyalist. Don't want thread to turn into, "Thousand Sons: Traitors or Misunderstood Girlies?" thread. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kael Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I honestly think you should redo the combatants and round. Loyalist vs loyalist is not that fun. I mean both marines have faith in the Emperor and fought against traitors and warp spawn, so this doesn't seem right. Captain Kael :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 I honestly think you should redo the combatants and round. Loyalist vs loyalist is not that fun. I mean both marines have faith in the Emperor and fought against traitors and warp spawn, so this doesn't seem right. Captain Kael Please PM me if you have these concerns, posts like this don't exactly help the place. C'mon people, Garro just came out of the storm he did, he's going to be really freakin paranoid, really really. Then you have Mhotep using it all willy nilly. Hypothetically they somehow meet up after their two major encounters, you think Garro is going to be, "Oh hey dude, witch craft? Cool." In fact, this is more in line with the tradition of the Thousand Sons than anything else, being attacked when he had great intentions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 my pick is Garro. while some might roll their eyes and mutter "nig suprise from a space wolf", Garro's sheer ability to shrug off any physical attack and most mental attacks impresses me...shows me what the death guard would have been had they stayed loyal... and BftA is a crap book, with crap characters. while Mhotep and Skraal were the onyl saving graces of the book, i dont think elevating any Marine because he looked awesome next to completely stupidly wannabe marines (seriously, they rest of the cast were weak or redshirts) makes much sense at all. wolf lord kieran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Garro got slapped by Dorn and lived, he would beat that filthy psyker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1904979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain the Ranger Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Garro, for the reason that after fighting in the Eisenstien and Luna he has great will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1905048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyrion Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Mhotep would win Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1905526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Garro, sure Mhotep appears stronger on the surface, but Garro strikes me as the kind of guy who would get knocked down only to kill his opponent with something he found on the ground. Oh and he killed a possessed marine blessed by Nurgle among other things Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1906415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child-of-the-Emperor Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Mhotep! :D - a high ranking member in the XV legion, powerful psyker, and he bested an extremly powerful daemon which would have ripped Garro into tiny shreds!! And btw i totally disagree that Mhotep was a traitor... As weren't the Thousand Sons, it was never there intention to turn to Chaos, nor did they willingly. Just because Mhotep went against the Council's decision doesnt mean hes a traitor. He was 100% loyal to the Emperor, just because he didn't agree with one of the Emperor's decisions, and believed he could control the warp (like the rest of the XV legion), doesnt make him a traitor. ;) Nice quote from Lexicanum: "Nevertheless, Magnus never stopped. In secrecy, he still pursued dark knowledge and practiced sorcery, as he firmly believed it would be for the best of mankind. And certainly, had mankind’s leader not closed his mind, it would have been for the best…" This next quote also proves their loyalty: "When the Horus Heresy occurred, Magnus at first used his powers to warn the Emperor about the treachery. The primarch knew that by doing so, he would break his promise to his father, but he was willing to suffer the consequences. Angered by his son’s disobedience, the Emperor ignored the warning..." And also proves the Emperors ignorance! :P Garro got slapped by Dorn and lived, he would beat that filthy psyker. And....?! Lol! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1906819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 Gah, this is an argument that won't get resolved, TS Kiddies say they weren't, SW say they were, and the rest are somewhere in between. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1906898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 They were traitors. I play a Iron Hands sucessors (so not a SW) and Magnus was only interested in proving that socery was useful. That was his primary goal, a true loyalist would not have questioned the Emperor's decree. Mhotep is a traitor and Garro would slap him down Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1906995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child-of-the-Emperor Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 They were traitors. I play a Iron Hands sucessors (so not a SW) and Magnus was only interested in proving that socery was useful. That was his primary goal, a true loyalist would not have questioned the Emperor's decree. Mhotep is a traitor and Garro would slap him down So because you disagree with one thing the Emperor says that makes you a traitor? Magnus was doing what he did because he believed it was the best thing for the Imperium. He was 100% loyal to the Emperor and Imperium, If its anyones fault that the Thousand Sons turned, its the Emperor's - he was the one who ignored Magnus' warning, and refused to believe Horus had turned even after the Drop site Massacre! instead using Magnus as a scapegoat! well how wrong he was, and that is why he is a corpse sat on a big chair now, and deserves his fate! And how did you conclude that Magnus' only goal was to prove sorcery was useful? he used sorcery in an attempt to aid and further the Imperium, believing he could control the power of the Warp. His goal was the same as the Emperors; to unite humanity under one banner, and for humanity to take its place as the dominant race in the galaxy. Evidence - Quote: "as he firmly believed it would be for the best of mankind. And certainly, had mankind’s leader not closed his mind, it would have been for the best…" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1907120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 he used sorcery in an attempt to aid and further the Imperium, believing he could control the power of the Warp. So testament to Magnus' true evil, his arrogance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1907237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child-of-the-Emperor Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 he used sorcery in an attempt to aid and further the Imperium, believing he could control the power of the Warp. So testament to Magnus' true evil, his arrogance. So now being arrogant makes you evil?! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1907473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain the Ranger Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Could we please stay on topic. There is a thread already devoted to this argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162086-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-6-mhotep-vs-garro/#findComment-1907519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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