Rommel44 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Hey guys. I've almost completed a 2000 point lists so far (found a kid selling his wolves because he said they suck :)), anyway I recently purchased the space wolves ven. dread and after looking at the codex, I was just curious if the twin-linked auto-cannon was any good, because 2 strength 7 shots allows it to deal most things except those with 14 armor. Also is it true that the auto-cannon will be 4 Heavy shots coming up (not sure if its true just something I heard). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I love it on my LRE, but they mostly sit a bit back. How are you going to use your VenDred? I love dropping mine in, so I'll take payloads that generally accomodate that better. But yeah, twin link Auto-cannon is pretty fierce. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1904571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Personally, I run a plasma cannon on my Ven Dred. You'll usually get at least two hits anyway, have AP2 and it's still good for popping light armor. The AP4 really kills ths usefullness of the Autocannons. Assault cannons are nasty at short range, so if you plan on getting your dred into close combat, Assault cannon all the way, and go for the heavy flamer while your at it. If you want it to pop armor, Lascannon and missile launcher. Sit back, pop vehicles and have fun. Expensive, but if you're killing tanks, you make your points back quickly. Edited for stupidity ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1904596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I love it on my LRE, but they mostly sit a bit back. How are you going to use your VenDred? I love dropping mine in, so I'll take payloads that generally accomodate that better. But yeah, twin link Auto-cannon is pretty fierce. Auto-Cannon, not Assault cannon ... big difference. Personally, I run a plasma cannon on my Ven Dred. You'll usually get at least two hits anyway, have AP2 and it's still good for popping light armor. The AP4 really kills ths usefullness of the Autocannons. Assault cannons are nasty at short range, so if you plan on getting your dred into close combat, Assault cannon all the way, and go for the heavy flamer while your at it. If you want it to pop armor, Lascannon and missile launcher. Sit back, pop vehicles and have fun. Expensive, but if you're killing tanks, you make your points back quickly. I fail to see why you are making a point here. He said he is thinking about TL-AutoCannon, the LRE has a TL-AutoCannon. Nowhere did I see an assault cannon mentioned... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1904634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I fail to see why you are making a point here. He said he is thinking about TL-AutoCannon, the LRE has a TL-AutoCannon. Nowhere did I see an assault cannon mentioned... Oops, sorry ... mixed up the LRE with the LRC .... my bad. Other than that ... my comments stand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1904652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I fail to see why you are making a point here. He said he is thinking about TL-AutoCannon, the LRE has a TL-AutoCannon. Nowhere did I see an assault cannon mentioned... Oops, sorry ... mixed up the LRE with the LRC .... my bad. Other than that ... my comments stand. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, hehe. I apologize if I came off douchey, was meant to be funny, until I re-read it. :) True though, in larger games the TL-AutoCannon loses a touch of effectiveness because of the AP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1904662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 You see, in the right circumstances an Autocannon is a very serviceable weapon. But not on a SW Ven Dread, when an Assault Cannon is better in almost every respect. As for the Heavy 4 rumour, that's for the Guard and relates to their new, shiney-er version of the LRE. As for the best loadout for the Dread, the Assault Cannon + Heavy Flamer + Pod is good for nuking Infantry, a Multi Melta and Pod keeps him cheap and can pop tanks well, a TLLC and ML is also good for this, though pricey. Plasma Cannon just = Death. To [almost] everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1904673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnarRedsun Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 i'm kinda weird, i run mine tllc and heavy flamer. no missle launcher. i use him for taking out heavy infantry, which he does really well at. hes been in 26 of the 31 games the great company has been fielded in (the others were my 13th company), and has yet to die or be immobilized. he has 8 daemon princes, 3 or 4 fexes, and a couple hive tyrants to his name, including numerous squads of terminators, and one farsight. but maybe i just roll well :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1904706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 With ballistic skill 5 the whol twin-linked thing is overrated with a multishot weapon. In my opinion the assault cannon is the better option- you get four shots with the same basic AP, a 1 in 6 shot of gaining AP 1, and you can penetrate landraiders on a good roll. The downside is one point less of strength, wich will never incluence instant death and come up against light vehicles only. Against light vehicles I find the two additional shots are better than the single point of strength. Against anything with an AV of 12 or higher the assault cannon has a better chance of getting the job done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1904771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 A random thought just popped into my head. But, if and when the new codex comes out, and if our Ven Dred goes the way of the SM variety ... having two twin linked auto cannons would really kick some backside. Stick him on a flank and use the range to go after side armor. Or pay yourself a regular dred and do the same thing! With twin linked, you're hitting with 3-4 shots anyway! And all for a low low price! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1905412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 A random thought just popped into my head. But, if and when the new codex comes out, and if our Ven Dred goes the way of the SM variety ... having two twin linked auto cannons would really kick some backside. Stick him on a flank and use the range to go after side armor. Or pay yourself a regular dred and do the same thing! With twin linked, you're hitting with 3-4 shots anyway! And all for a low low price! i kind of want to run one of these, just a really good friend is a DA player and he is a little "T"ed about it, but he still plays DA so he isn't really bad. but i still might make one for some apoc game. back to the OP: i tend to run mine like most have said: AssC and HF, to me it has been the best load out. before 5thed i us to run the PC a lot, no scatter meant he hit a lot more the he has with it as of late. so unless it is a really bug game, i stick with the AssC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1905453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I have a very good looking model with a PC but... Never run it with 5E rules because the BS of 5 is wasted on a PC. Depending on what my list needs, I go AC HF, EA, SL, DP. Or MM, HF, EA, SL DP. Often I'll throw a DWML on the pod as it does one of two things, absorbs fire that would otherwise be intended for my dread, or, takes out whatever killed/Tried to kill my dread, without the risk of hurting any of my units. (Str 5 of the DWML can't hurt the dread on a scatter.) The hitting on 2+ with a MM though is very gross when you combine that with droping Ironclads as the Ironclads miss twice as often if they have a melta gun. - Send the Ironcalds after the Infantry on a drop, Send the MM dread after tanks. The HF though is always worth it if your dropping in, in either loadout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1906227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fang Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Partly because I have the old (and uber sweet) metal sw dread, but mostly because I freakin love the load out i run AC DCCW/HF even without the DP it works. But then I average at least 4 Assault cannons in my lists. Dreads/speeders/drop pod of doom Long Fang Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162109-question-about-ven-dread/#findComment-1907150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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