jeffersonian000 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Is it worth the 10 points to put Psycannon Bolts on a Land Raider? Would it make a difference in competitive play? SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 well, you'll be paying for three shots to ignore invulnerable saves. what are your opponents? anything in power armor will take that save instead. the ap4 upgrade is useless as a heavy bolter already is so as stated what is your opponent? armor 4+ or worse with lots of invuilnerable saves, go for it. otherwise a waste of points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePurifier Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 The only time I would consider psybolts is if I had a set game against Daemons. Or maybe after the new IG codex comes out and it becomes Stormtrooper crazy. Other than that the points can be better spent elsewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marid Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I've thought about it a couple of times, but it always seems better to take a PM storm bolter instead. Now I suppose then you could take both, but then that is 20 points ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I've thought about it a couple of times, but it always seems better to take a PM storm bolter instead. Now I suppose then you could take both, but then that is 20 points ... no it stays 10 points, vehicle upgrades can only be taken once, the upgrade counts for the entire vehicle (all weapons that can have the bolts get them). Or maybe after the new IG codex comes out and it becomes Stormtrooper crazy. could you elaborate? st don't get invulnerable saves do they? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Agrippa Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 [Or maybe after the new IG codex comes out and it becomes Stormtrooper crazy. could you elaborate? st don't get invulnerable saves do they? Rumour has it that the Guard stormtroopers will soon be fielding str 3 ap 3 hellguns. AP3 will make a sad day for all power armoured armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 [Or maybe after the new IG codex comes out and it becomes Stormtrooper crazy. could you elaborate? st don't get invulnerable saves do they? Rumour has it that the Guard stormtroopers will soon be fielding str 3 ap 3 hellguns. AP3 will make a sad day for all power armoured armies. that i knew but why would psycannon bolts mean any difference for us? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Iapetus Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Other than Daemons - if you were going up against a Necrons w/ C'Tan it would be good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Other than Daemons - if you were going up against a Necrons w/ C'Tan it would be good. actually that was what i first thought when i bought the codex so many years ago (as soon as it came out), how cool would it be to field a purgation squad and let your opp say bye bye c'tan in the first turn. but then again how many times do you face one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Even at strength six and three shots a piece bringing down a C'tan in round 1 would be very very difficult. How many psycannons/heavy bolters are you expecting to have shooting at him cause to kill him I guessing you're gonna need high twenties or thirties. wound on a six.... ouch. Sure he gets no save but less than 1/6th of the shots are going to wound anyway. Still its a huge advantage to knock that many points out even in round two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFather Tim Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Psi bolt ammo in a lrc is just plain hard core, Ironfather tim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 No it isn't, they don't affect the hurricane bolter so you only get the bonus on the pintle-mounted storm bolter. It's even less effective than it is in the normal raider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1905817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennedy Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 No it isn't, they don't affect the hurricane bolter so you only get the bonus on the pintle-mounted storm bolter. It's even less effective than it is in the normal raider. Why wouldn`t they get it in the hurricane bolter? It is a `bolt` weapon, is it not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1906242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marid Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I've thought about it a couple of times, but it always seems better to take a PM storm bolter instead. Now I suppose then you could take both, but then that is 20 points ... no it stays 10 points, vehicle upgrades can only be taken once, the upgrade counts for the entire vehicle (all weapons that can have the bolts get them). Eh? I realize that. A PM Stormbolter + Psycannon Bolts = +20 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1906246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauren Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 It would be better if it actually made them ap3 but otherwise there just isn't enough out there to make it worth it in any way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1906247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marid Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 No it isn't, they don't affect the hurricane bolter so you only get the bonus on the pintle-mounted storm bolter. It's even less effective than it is in the normal raider. Why wouldn`t they get it in the hurricane bolter? It is a `bolt` weapon, is it not? That would be awesome, but no, under the vehicle upgrade section it says "Storm Bolter or Heavy Bolter." This is different than the wargear entry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1906248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePurifier Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 On the flipside, psybolts can't be used for infantry heavy bolters either. Really too bad as that would put Daemon armies in way more of a pickle. Uncle Mel: psybolts would make a number of bolt weapons AP4 and would therefore ignore ST armor saves. I was thinking in terms of infantry upgrades as well when I made that statement. My bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1906271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 ThePurifier Posted Today, 02:04 AM On the flipside, psybolts can't be used for infantry heavy bolters either. Really too bad as that would put Daemon armies in way more of a pickle. That's what the Psycannon is for. Str 6 and an additional Assault 3 profile too. Its worth noting that Psycannon Bolts do NOT change the weapon Strength to 6. You only get AP 4 and the ability to ignore Inv. Saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1906613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 On the flipside, psybolts can't be used for infantry heavy bolters either. Really too bad as that would put Daemon armies in way more of a pickle. Uncle Mel: psybolts would make a number of bolt weapons AP4 and would therefore ignore ST armor saves. I was thinking in terms of infantry upgrades as well when I made that statement. My bad. ah now i get it yes, for stormbolters and such :D I've thought about it a couple of times, but it always seems better to take a PM storm bolter instead. Now I suppose then you could take both, but then that is 20 points ... no it stays 10 points, vehicle upgrades can only be taken once, the upgrade counts for the entire vehicle (all weapons that can have the bolts get them). Eh? I realize that. A PM Stormbolter + Psycannon Bolts = +20 points. oh, sorry i thought you meant that you pay for the upgrade twice, once for the hb and once for the stormbolter suppose i look quite stupid now, misinterpreting twice in a topic :ermm: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1906647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripath Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 actually that was what i first thought when i bought the codex so many years ago (as soon as it came out) wow people are still alive from that time period? ^_^ That's what the Psycannon is for. Str 6 and an additional Assault 3 profile too. Yeah but it costs as much as a GK and means that you lose the str 6 in hth. psycannon bolts let you get the merits of both for less. Now if you could get your entire pagk squad psy bolts for 5 points a piece I would probably take it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162130-psycannon-bolts/#findComment-1915303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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