LPetersson Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 So, what would you guys do against: Eldrad+5xHarlequins+Transport (Falcon?) 1xFarseer+10xWarlocks on Jetbikes 10xGuardians+Eldar Missile launcher 10xGuardians+Scatter Laser 10xGuardians+Scatter Laser 1xFire Prism So many re-rolls + Invul saves that nothing I could do seemed to kill them. I brought: VebnDread ML/TL-Autocannon 9BC+WGPL+Rhino 6xGH+Razorback 7xBC Bikers/WGPL/WGBL 3xLS with HB/HB 1x LS with MM Ironclad in DP (I forgot to upgrade to HF) :wallbash: I should've gotten the BCs out of the Rhino earlier, but other than that, I don't think I made any real mistakes... How would you defeat a list like that? Without knowing in advance exactly what you would be facing... In hindsight I should have brought more troops, but other than that... :mellow: I'm itching to play this guy again so I can have another go at the foul xenos... Edit: This was 1500 points... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162269-how-should-i-tackle-this-eldar-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I guess this was a 1500 point battle seeing the expansive seer council on jetbike (problably all with spear) That makes it tough for vehicles especially dreads. I'am guessing he casts fortune and than turbo boost the Seercouncil forward making you spend quite a deal of fire power on them. You might wanna counter this by locking them in cc with a large unit of Blood claws in stead. 15 Bloodclaws with IC and Wolfguard leader is perfect for this job. The guardians can be dealt with a Whirlwind. As for the Falcon and Prism try to get rid of them 1st. They aren't as destructive as they used to be but can still mess up youre army. As for the Landspeeder, try switching the Heavybolters for Heavy flamers. When the Harliequins are forced to run over the field you gonna like the 12"move and Heavy flamer attack of the Speeders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162269-how-should-i-tackle-this-eldar-list/#findComment-1906741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 you should not use LS in the 5th ed . switch to attack bikes . you should also never ever use BC bikers . i mean really 30 pts each without extra attacks , no fist/weapon spam possible . not as bad as long fangs , but bad enough . either take 3/4 units of GH or make a footsloggers BC spam list , if you want something that works. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162269-how-should-i-tackle-this-eldar-list/#findComment-1906752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 I guess this was a 1500 point battle seeing the expansive seer council on jetbike (problably all with spear) That makes it tough for vehicles especially dreads. I'am guessing he casts fortune and than turbo boost the Seercouncil forward making you spend quite a deal of fire power on them. You might wanna counter this by locking them in cc with a large unit of Blood claws in stead. 15 Bloodclaws with IC and Wolfguard leader is perfect for this job. The guardians can be dealt with a Whirlwind. As for the Falcon and Prism try to get rid of them 1st. They aren't as destructive as they used to be but can still mess up youre army. As for the Landspeeder, try switching the Heavybolters for Heavy flamers. When the Harliequins are forced to run over the field you gonna like the 12"move and Heavy flamer attack of the Speeders. Yup, 1500 points... Yeah, I should have gotten my bikers into CC with them, I definitely realise that now. I usually bring a whirlwind or three against Eldar, I have no idea why I didn't this time :-/ I got his Prism tank with my VenDread in the second turn, but didn't get the Falcon in time... After the Harlequins annihilated my bikers, I took them out with the Heavybolters. Well, I took three out... Yup, lots of fortune, guide and doom on my poor bikers... you should not use LS in the 5th ed . switch to attack bikes . you should also never ever use BC bikers . i mean really 30 pts each without extra attacks , no fist/weapon spam possible . not as bad as long fangs , but bad enough . either take 3/4 units of GH or make a footsloggers BC spam list , if you want something that works. What's wrong with land speeders? Well, other than a glancing hit disabling their shooting... Or is that what you were thinking off? I know what you mean about bikers being pricey, but they tend to do really really well for me... But yeah, I'm a bit disillusioned with them now... :-/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162269-how-should-i-tackle-this-eldar-list/#findComment-1906790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Hengist Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I come up against the Flying Circus every now and then and I find the best way to deal with them is has already been mentioned. With the lack of power weapons I find that Blood Claws can tie them up nicely whilst I take the rest of his army apart. Its not as easy done though as they are so mobile, only once or twice have I managed to get a charge off on them. The guy who fields them now keeps them away from my BC pack as the penny has dropped. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162269-how-should-i-tackle-this-eldar-list/#findComment-1906804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambu Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Well I see you have faced a very cunning Eldar opponent. My best friend plays Eldar so I have been mopped a few times by him. I was toying with a list this morning after reading your post and here is my list I would feild against your Eldar opponent: Wolf Lord on bike, Wolf Priest on bike, 6 man grey hunter Pack with 5 bolters and one melta gun, 15 blood claw, 2 seperate land speeder tornados (don't take as a sqaudran), leman russ exterminator with heavy bolters and storm bolter, predator destructor with heavy bolters and storm bolter. I have learned the more shooting you have the better off you are with eldar. And with all the hand to hand go engage the bikes. Hope it helps somewhat. :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162269-how-should-i-tackle-this-eldar-list/#findComment-1906858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Well first off while yes that seer council on bikes has a 3+/4++ they dont have a single power weapon in the squad. Gaurdians without warlocks have a 5+ save. And the guy doesnt have a single brightlance? Fun. And yes, you got it- the transport would be a falcon. So for the seer council you want to hit them with something fast as soon as you can. Warlocks and farseers are one attack base, two with pistol and witchblade. Theyll wound on twos, and if the guy knows what hes doing hell hit on 3+s with a weaponskill of five. But you still get your 3+ save. So I reccommend Bloodclaws on this one. Cheap, effective. A landraider crusader will ruin his day. Only two guns in the whole army that can scratch the paint... and the prism cannon is the only one who can actually penetrate it. Take one... use it for those bloodclaws! Speaking of vehicles, dont take all those heavy bolter speeders... against dire avengers Id say cool, it might be useful... but not here. That prism cannon and those scatter lasers are just begging to drop your sixty point models and make their points back. Get rid of them. The multimelta speeder is good, and should hug cover as much as possible. Holofields and spirit stones make a skimmer hard to kill, but all you have to do is keep it from shooting to take it out of the fight. Troops. Well at 1500 with a LRC and bloodclaws youll probly want two units of Bolter Grey Hunters. Heavy on the bolters, with a plasma rifle for hitting his tanks if you get a decent rear shot on him. Power weapons are mostly a waste against this list... but dont be afraid to take one in a squad for other enemies. Hell two if you have the points or one and a fist if like me you want the insurance. They dont really need a transport though, but giving one a drop pod so you can pick between the dread and some GHs isnt a bad idea. Your vendread will get more mileage out of an assaultcannon/heavy flamer vs this list. His highest armor, heck the armies highest armor is 12. Heavy Flamers will help if hes in cover. The ironclad is also a nice touch. If it comes in early, toast some gaurdians.... If he comes in late drop him behind the prism tank and get a good meltashot on him... or try to combo a tank and a close shot at the infantry the next turn if you can. With armor 13 on the front hes quite literally immune to all of it except that BS 3 missile launcher- so eat those gaurdians for breakfast. Id drop the Biker Gang down to 4 with the WGBL to free up some points for troops. Itll give you a nice sized unit that can tie up those jetibikers of his or chew through gaurdians as needs be. And in a list like that Id probly also take a Predator and a Whirlwind to balance things out. Predator with TLLC and a Whirlwind with nothing else. Gives me decent firepower, three scoring units, six peices of armor, and a mix of maneuverability and static firepower. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162269-how-should-i-tackle-this-eldar-list/#findComment-1906870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I am curious on how your Dred with TLAC/ML did, it would seem to be the ideal setup against eldar jetbikes. you may want to drop the Ven Dred and take a normal dred instead TLAC / TLAC , that will kill a speeder or 4. I would think your IC with Melta/HF setup to take on the Harlequins would be ideal, try to pop their transport with ranged fire and be ready with his Heavy Flammer oh how they hate HFs. If you don't have the models to switch out the LS as GM suggested, give them Heavy Flammers, oh how they hate HF I agree with the WW addition, you may even want to keep it in line of sight to your target so you can claim the direct fire -4. oh how they hate WW. remember to make them make their pinning test. Pred AC/HB for 85 points its a must have against eldar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162269-how-should-i-tackle-this-eldar-list/#findComment-1907097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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