Mixing up Chaos

[LoneSniperSG]

Heyo there guys.

 

I'm slowing gaining an interest in working up a Chaos army.

 

What I would like to do is make up a core of Iron Warriors, with some Death Shadow rank-and-file tossed in. On top of these, some Death Guard and Khorne Berzerkers.

 

I know the Death Shadows don't do anything special, it's just to break up the monotony of the IW. The one thing I need help with when it comes to them is armor color. To me, it looks like midnight blue with black robes. What do others think?

[Brother Nihm]

Heyo there guys.

 

I'm slowing gaining an interest in working up a Chaos army.

 

What I would like to do is make up a core of Iron Warriors, with some Death Shadow rank-and-file tossed in. On top of these, some Death Guard and Khorne Berzerkers.

 

I know the Death Shadows don't do anything special, it's just to break up the monotony of the IW. The one thing I need help with when it comes to them is armor color. To me, it looks like midnight blue with black robes. What do others think?

I think you should check out the fine painting guides that are stickied in this very forum! :)

 

DEATH SHADOWS

Armor and Face: A basecoat of Enchanted Blue and Shadow Grey and Chaos Black mixed evenly; progressively add Skull White to that mix for the highlights.

Robe: Chaos Black, Scorched Brown, Scorched Brown-Skull White mix.

Autocannon: Chaos Black with Codex Grey highlights.

 

 

That's the official recipe.

Happy painting. :)

[cathar the great]

Be sure to have some element on every marine that ties the army together, like similar shoulder pads or a badge or symbol of their leader.

 

Also, four different color schemes might be one too much. Think about removing at least one faction. You obviously want the Death Shadows, but you could go without the Iron Warriors or DG or Zerkers...

[chillin]

I'm not a big fan of a bunch of different paintschemes in the same army, makes it look all over the place, like you borrowed figs from different people and threw them together as an army.

Why not just make a whole IW's or death shadow army ? You could still use brzrkrs and/or PM's in either of those while keeping a unified paint scheme.

But if you want to do all different paint schemes, it is your army after all .

[cathar the great]

I'm not a big fan of a bunch of different paintschemes in the same army, makes it look all over the place, like you borrowed figs from different people and threw them together as an army.

Why not just make a whole IW's or death shadow army ? You could still use brzrkrs and/or PM's in either of those while keeping a unified paint scheme.

But if you want to do all different paint schemes, it is your army after all .

 

It must not look like that as long as you have a unifying element, like I said, same colored shoulder pad or something.

 

Even just the same basing style can tie an army together. Four different schemes could really be too much though, but two or three is not that bad.

[TheDarkApostle]

I'm not a big fan of a bunch of different paintschemes in the same army, makes it look all over the place

It depends, if the schemes are carried out in a similar style then they could go together pretty well even though the schemes are not the same.

 

TDA

[LoneSniperSG]

As I read it, the Chaos warbands tend to group together once one of them starts some fun. Such as, the Iron Warriors started assaulting this planet, so the Death Shadows want to try and prove themselves, while the Death Guard and Berzerkers want to work the will of their masters.

 

Maybe I completely mis-interpreted and should be shot through the head for incompetence. D:

 

I'm certain I did read that some marines switch between warbands. So, perhaps any Death Shadows could have an Iron Warriors pauldron showing they intend to become Iron Warriors once they have proven themselves to the older, first founding marines.

 

Although the problem with that is, the Death Shadows are all about cloak and dagger junk (So I gleaned from the tiny little description) and Iron Warriors are about big guns and trenches.

 

Perhaps an enterprising Iron Warriors lord killed the Death Shadows lord and took over their warband?

[chillin]

As I read it, the Chaos warbands tend to group together once one of them starts some fun. Such as, the Iron Warriors started assaulting this planet, so the Death Shadows want to try and prove themselves, while the Death Guard and Berzerkers want to work the will of their masters.

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This "chaos is one big happy family" rubbish is new to this poorly written (fluffwize) codex that is condradictary to years of established fluff.

But if you want to have several paint schemes in your army, thats fine, but dont do it for fluff reasons.

[Hydra Bait]

I say go for it. Before the Red Corsairs got a coherent paint scheme, they were just Loyalists with red slashes through their Imperial heraldry. So, you could have lots of different painted models in an army, provided you keep a theme running through all of them.

[GunnarRedsun]

actually the red corsairs have had a scheme for a long time. there were 2 parts to them though, former astral claws (which use the current scheme) and then renegades, who used the colors of their old chapters with red xs and such. i think the fact that they seem to completely neglect the "additions" in the new codex is total rubbish. more of the shiny happy chaos dancing garbage to try and demphasize the uniqueness and charactor of the 8 legions. but thats just my feeling and opinion, and i think i may have been playing way too long after rereading that...:P

[cathar the great]

As I read it, the Chaos warbands tend to group together once one of them starts some fun. Such as, the Iron Warriors started assaulting this planet, so the Death Shadows want to try and prove themselves, while the Death Guard and Berzerkers want to work the will of their masters.

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This "chaos is one big happy family" rubbish is new to this poorly written (fluffwize) codex that is condradictary to years of established fluff.

But if you want to have several paint schemes in your army, thats fine, but dont do it for fluff reasons.

 

Your moaning is meaningless. This is the NEW codex, so anyone who starts playing with Chaos now will eat up the fluff like its packed in a bagel with peanutbutter. (Which is good.)

 

The image of Chaos Marines shifted from superhuman evil demon warriors to superhuman evil pirates, but it won't go back until the next codex, so you better accept it now and make the best of it.

 

LoneSniper, your ideas sound perfectly fine to me, except maybe the one with the IW lord killing the other lord and taking over his force. These are not Orks, due to Chaos Marines individualistic nature, it's more likely that some Death Shadows Aspiring Champ will take over and either fight the other champs or against the Iron Warriors... Actually, this is more likely with Orks, too, come to think of it.

 

But the codex tells us that different Marines may join together if the price to be gained is great enough. It could be some long lost artefact or a lost Chaos Temple or something.

[Dark Disciple]

It sounds like a good idea. What you could also do is to pick a main warband and have your champions be of that band.

To ensure their loyalty. Other than that I agree with the unifying symbol.

Chaos. We're not one big happy family. We're just a group of like minded back stabbing buisness minded individuals :)

 

Disciple

[chillin]

As I read it, the Chaos warbands tend to group together once one of them starts some fun. Such as, the Iron Warriors started assaulting this planet, so the Death Shadows want to try and prove themselves, while the Death Guard and Berzerkers want to work the will of their masters.

-

This "chaos is one big happy family" rubbish is new to this poorly written (fluffwize) codex that is condradictary to years of established fluff.

But if you want to have several paint schemes in your army, thats fine, but dont do it for fluff reasons.

 

Your moaning is meaningless.

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No more meaningless then your opinion

[Brother Nihm]

And any further personal attacks, stabs or jibes will be dealt with in accordance with the Forum Rules.

 

Let's get back to the topic at hand.

[LoneSniperSG]

As I read it, the Chaos warbands tend to group together once one of them starts some fun. Such as, the Iron Warriors started assaulting this planet, so the Death Shadows want to try and prove themselves, while the Death Guard and Berzerkers want to work the will of their masters.

-

This "chaos is one big happy family" rubbish is new to this poorly written (fluffwize) codex that is condradictary to years of established fluff.

But if you want to have several paint schemes in your army, thats fine, but dont do it for fluff reasons.

 

Your moaning is meaningless. This is the NEW codex, so anyone who starts playing with Chaos now will eat up the fluff like its packed in a bagel with peanutbutter. (Which is good.)

 

The image of Chaos Marines shifted from superhuman evil demon warriors to superhuman evil pirates, but it won't go back until the next codex, so you better accept it now and make the best of it.

 

I have to agree with this. As an example, look at the Space Wolves codex progression. 1st and 2nd edition had us known for the Blood Claw rush with jumppacks. Now 3rd codex says we hate jump packs. More than likely, the next edition of our 'dex will have some fluff changes.

 

If I run multiple warbands it will only be for my own fluff reasons. I'm about halfway through a big campaign backstory that gives me a reason to own all that I own for 40k. The only reason I figured to run World Eater Berzerkers and Death Guard plague marines is because I thought (From older codexes now) that the Iron Warriors didn't really appreciate such things. I know they don't like mutation which would kind of rule out blessings from Nurgle, but I'm not too certain on their attitude towards Berzerkers, since they don't seem to be mutated marines but they would seem to be against what the Iron Warriors like to do.

[chillin]

IW's had brzrkrs in IA rules, also in "storm of iron" novel, so there is plenty of fluff out there for using brzrkrs in IW's army.

Whether you paint them up in khorne colors or in IW's colors depends on personal preferance.

As for PM's...some IW's players have used PM stats to represent IW's models with bionics, xtra armor etc. Whether you wanted to do that or use actual PM models is of course up to you. There is no rules/fluff for death shadows other thyen what you make.

[Drathmere]

Go with multiple warbands! It makes the modeling more fun, and the units look great on the desktop. I am building a chaos army this way, and am even mixing the different demons together. I am making custom bases that tie the whole force together, as well as link them to my blood angels army. I have not decided if I am going to strew dead blood angles and equipment among the chaos bases yet, but it might just happen. After years of playing this game I have loads of ultra marine, imperial fist, raven, dark angles bits, and have been thinking about making a unit of recent renegades. They would be heavily weathered, and have their chapter symbols recognizable, but defaced. It would be a striking unit to see.

 

 

-john

[DOGGED]

Now THAT was a good suggestion. I'm also with it.

Look for a common point and then give 'em variety. The horde symbol would unify them in fluff and the basing and/or other details would work for their linking.

But I also suggest you use a general tone and variations for cults/warbands.

I mean: all of 'em metallic hue and skull symbol (IW) but some with different colored shoulderpads, or different base colors with same color shoulderpads as base IW...

[Night Stalker]

As I read it, the Chaos warbands tend to group together once one of them starts some fun. Such as, the Iron Warriors started assaulting this planet, so the Death Shadows want to try and prove themselves, while the Death Guard and Berzerkers want to work the will of their masters.

-

This "chaos is one big happy family" rubbish is new to this poorly written (fluffwize) codex that is condradictary to years of established fluff.

But if you want to have several paint schemes in your army, thats fine, but dont do it for fluff reasons.

 

hey, its not like slaanesh and khorne, so the scenario is not bad. Even in old fluff, chaos made pacts and alliances before slaughtering their so called allies.

 

Something like Dark Crusade

[TheDarkApostle]

1st and 2nd edition had us known for the Blood Claw rush with jumppacks. Now 3rd codex says we hate jump packs. More than likely, the next edition of our 'dex will have some fluff changes.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the 3rd SW Codex is the mini Codex with a Space Wolf killing Orks on the cover, right?

 

And correct me if I'm wrong but you actually CAN still take several packs of Blood Claws with Jump Packs.

 

TDA

[the jeske]

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