cathar the great Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 But what is that? A carnifex, on the Bolter&Chainsword? That's not allowed, no no... But what is that? It's the start of a sorcerer! Riding the damn thing. So far, fluffwise, he is an outcast sorcerer who left his warband and now lives in exile on a deathworld. This carnifex is his riding beast, kept under control by the sorcerers pychic powers. I know it is not much yet, but what do you think? @Mods: If this is out of B&C boundaries because of it mostly being carnifex, I guess I can't stop you from deleting it. But I think it does fit in, because it shows that Powerarmor conversions must not stop before using parts of other races, if you have an explanation and it looks good. Imho... :shrug: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester_prince Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I like it... hes pretty cool, with his too rests just sticking out of the carnifex carpace you should green stuff a wound around them so it looks like the sorcerer has just taken two giant rods and jammed them through his skin. Causing the carnifex conciderable and constant pain, but obviously being tryanid it can easily survive wounds like that. Would be very chaos of him. Id even be tempted to tourture the thing more then that, like chains and rings percing its body so the sorcerer has control over the beast by tugging on chains directly attached wounds. Lol Now I want to build one and i dont collect chaos or tyranids. Sorry i got carried away your model, your ideas, im sure youve already got a full plan of what you want to do with him so i wont impose anymore of my ideas upon it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1908224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Actually you pinned down my ideas quite accurately... Â His legrests will be stuck into the carapace, and I already prepared the chains for the harness. I'll also have lots of bits on the back of the Fex to represent scavenged wargear and stuff. Â Plus, I only put up stuff in such unadvanced stage if I WANT more ideas and opinions, so I am happy for every idea you post Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1908228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rottimus Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 That is Sweet! I love the idea, pretty cool over all. Â Personally (and as an Iron Warrior player) I'd add a little metal panel with some wires going into the Fexs' head. Maybe a sorceros rune on the panel. Â I prefer the idea of mind control via technology rather than sorceros powers. Â Â Either way tho... super cool. Might have to steal that! ":) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1908229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alys Dwr Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 That's a rather cool idea. Which limbs will you have on the carnifex? I'm guessing simple talons/claws? It might be an idea to use sything talons but conver them so that they are bound across the carnifex's chest with all sorts of chains - justifying why the carnifex isn't dishing out umpteen attacks. However you take this, i think lots of chains will be required to make the beast appear subdued and less like part of a tyranid army. Â As for the final paint job, what colours will you be using? In my mind i have the image of dark colours with chaos stars glowing from the armoured body of the carnifex - then he will definately look chaosified. Â And the sorcerer, what will he be armed with? Hopefully a long spear/staff to reach the enemy far below! Â Al Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1908284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastratedCow Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 First off... stolen!!! Utterly and shamelessly stolen. At one point, I briefly toyed with the idea of going Orks so I could loot a Carnifex. I love the Carnie model, but never felt a strong compulsion to go all the way with a Tyranid army. But that's a brilliant excuse to use one in a Chaos army! Brilliant! Â Second... I know you said fluff-wise it'd be a Sorcerer on a steed, but will you use it like that in-game? It might also make an excellent counts-as Dreadnought or Daemon Prince. Â And third... I say go with rune-marked plates nailed all over his carapace. I'd imagine it'd take some pretty strong hoodoo to keep that thing under any semblance of control. Chains just don't seem like they'd work all that well. I would think the Carnie would be able to easily break through most chains, and the ones he can't shake off would restrict his combat capabilities too much, making him rather worthless as a Chaos steed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1908371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drac0 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 How about mixing both ideas? Having chains linked to rune-inscribed plates. The power of the runes would flow through the chains thus making them stronger and keeping the 'fex under control. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1909091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combat_Vet Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 This is really cool. You going to show more WIP pics? I ask because I'd really like to see where this one goes. it has a lot of potential. Â Â Better days, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1909171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithrilforge Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 That is a great idea...seen it somewhere else though :cuss cant remember where though..... anyways you should put chaos runes! on the beastie with some blood spatters in the wounds/marks to show that sacraficial offerings to the chaos gods have been made to guide the nefarious spells invoked on the bad boy ;) i have a feeling this will look really good when finished,looking forward to more work being done! Â Mithril Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1909181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 @rottimus: I'll stay with the psychic powers. I thought about using some sort of machine cap, but I just messed up one of the heads by cutting it to pieces... Â @alys: I dunno about the limbs yet. I have been playing around with one of the bio-rifles that come with the fex sprue. That way, the sorcerer would be safe from any melee attacks the beast might throw at him in an unguarded moment, and whatever that thing shoots could count as Doombolt. Â @castratedcow: Funny enough, I had wanted to use the Fex with my Orks, but I won't start them for another year or so, and couldn't wait. Â For the moment, he'll count as a Demon Prince until I have a better idea. For a defiler, he's too small, I hate Dreadnought rules and he's too big for anything else... Â Thanks for all the input guys, much more useful than on the german forum ("The sorcerer's powers can't be stronger than the Swarm Mind, you can't do that" :huh:) Â More WiP's next week, I'm away for the weekend. But keep ideas coming. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1909304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I think you should switch the head of the fex with the one thats missing some of its armouring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1909339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 it sreams "hey, its gears of war 2" when the team rides a brumak into the locust hive underground. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1909345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester_prince Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 "The sorcerer's powers can't be stronger than the Swarm Mind, you can't do that" Â Sure you can, capture a 'fex take him into the warp where his swarm mind is isolated and its all alone, take control of its mind and once you have control swarm mind cant get a grasp on it again... unless your fighting nids, then you should invent a rampage rule or something just for fun. Â I dont think hes too small to be a defiler, though demon prince would probably work better, personaly i wouldnt go with the bio rifle, just equip the sorcerer with guns and say his melee attacks are the 'fex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1909466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drac0 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 That is a great idea...seen it somewhere else though :) cant remember where though.....  Mithril  Probably the battlerep in firebase IG vs IF. I believe it was a Comissar that was riding some sort of monstrous creature.  @cathar the great - how about mixing some of the 'nids claws, scythes with the chaos mutation sprue? You could claim that the 'fex was mutating due to the time spent in the warp and because of the energy the sorcerer is using to keep it under control. Or you could say that it went on a rampage eating possessed marines, thus absorbing their genetic mutations. (The possibilities are near endless) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1909521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 For the moment, he'll count as a Demon Prince until I have a better idea. For a defiler, he's too small, I hate Dreadnought rules and he's too big for anything else... Â I think the DP idea is a good one, but you could also use him as a Soul Grinder in an all Demon list. Ya know, stumbles off on his own, can't get anyone to follow him, so he get's creative and "borrows" troops from the big four. Â I think there are a lot of possibilities for you. Â Cheers, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1909714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaxonsfan Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 This idea is absolutely insane....I like it! ;) Â Perhaps what would look pretty cool like a control panel with wires going into the head? Â P.S Cathar: Thanks for looking at my Sallies thread. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1920959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 @klaxonsfan: well thanks for keeping your end of the bargain lol I actually got some update on this bad boy and I need some input, too... So you can see I added some chains fixed with GS to the head and body. I also added some details to the saddle/throne so it looks more like it "grew" out of the carapace of the Carnifex. Now I need some help: This is what the thing looks like with melee weapon arms attached: It looks very busy and I'm afraid that will get worse when I put paint on it. Any ideas on what I can do with the arms? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1920993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester_prince Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I kinda like one of the suggestionjs from above of binding them together praying mantis style infrony of him. HOWEVER you probably want the awsomenesss of rideing a fex and smashing stuff. Its depends how finished the thing is model wise, id try undercoating it and seeing how it looks after that, also prsonaly id try a little trich when im painting it. The human eye is atracted to colour, obviously, but especialy red. What id do it paint the entire thing black or grey, and make it so theres almost no colour at the tip of his tail, but fade in the colour as you get to the focal point, whixh in your case is the mount and the head of the beast. I tried it on one of my modelas and id say it was one of my best, and it helps the keep the eye where you want it. Dosnt mean people wont look over the rest of the model to view the details but from an overall perspective it might help ti look a little less fussy. I gunno its just something id try.    This is not my work, I am just using this image as an example.  http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/ilivefordeath/fex_example.jpg  You can still do highlights just make them barker and with less colour in them. Id also make his sything dodas fade to grey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1921027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 I like your idea, jester_prince, though I am not sure I could pull it off painting-wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-1921695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Massive Threadomancy wave in 3... 2... 1... I started painting the rider. This project will still take a lot of time, but a start is a start. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-2200159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I like that! Â Personally, I would try and get hold of the 'rending claws' arms (the ones that look half way too big for a tyranid warrior, but a bit too small for a carnifex) and use those. Your right, those scything talons just don't work... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-2200355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderkid Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 The model and Idea are fantastic, but I do have a few things to comment. One if its going to be controlled by chaos, then it needs to have mutations! Chaos is all about change remember, second, it also needs severe injuries because if a chaos army defeated it then they must also have defeated the army and hive mind it was controlled by. The other issues previously mentioned do make sense, chains and stuff, though Im not sure about giving it too much tyranid weaponry. Maybe it should have a more melee esque design? All other forms of mounts are designed like that. Its just a thought, another thing is if your going to include some tech on the beast, maybe it should be used to prevent other hive minds from taking control of it as it it a tyranid after all, another thought! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-2200932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtNACHO Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Correction Wonderkid, Tzeentch is all about change! ... at least I think so right? Isn't that his whole deal? Â Anyway loving this, I think the Carni would look great with some nice big Crab, I mean crusher claws! Chain 'em, rune 'em, leave them open for mob killing whatever. I just think they could be some nice big claws that might be large enough to avoid the "busy" look. Big things usually avoid that, I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-2201001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 Thanks for the comments guys! Â To explain the Carnis de-attachment from the hivemind, I was thinking along the lines of the Catachan Devil. If I recall correctly, it seems to be a native creature of Catachan, with Tyranid origins. Â So maybe a splinter fleet of a hive fleet got seperated from the mind by a warp storm (the no. 1 deus ex machina excuse for all kinds of crap in 40k fan fiction!) and got lost on a planet. Â Fast forward a couple of thousand years. The Chaos warband finds a planet whose people are terrorized by giant beasts. They see their chance to finally use the devastating power of the Tyranids without a greater mind force controlling them. Â Basically :D Â Â And I already changed the main weapons to the Crab Claws, though I'm not sure about the other set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-2201193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innus Bade 9 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I'd love to see the wrecking ball from forge world on the Fex. He would stand out so much more. Great idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162370-chaos-sorcerer-outcast-on-unusual-mount/#findComment-2201961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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