Is this heresy?

[jeffersonian000]

Hmmm ... Here's a thought: Your chapter as had a failure in their implants that prevents the muscular growth normally seem in Space Marines. This has caused them to have a reduced strength and overall endurance, yet they have gained an extended life-span and a certain kind of "luck" in combat due to their unique experiences. As such, to prevent a purge of their chapter, they have dropped off the Imperial radar by going rogue, and now have to rely on their own limited resources to maintain their arms and equipment. This means no Tactical Dreadnought Armour, few plasma weapons larger than a pistol, and no non-Rhino chassis vehicles. They now make use of Rhinos, Razorbacks with a limited weapons selection, and Whirlwinds firing hand-made rockets.

 

SJ

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Here's a thought: Your chapter as had a failure in their implants that prevents the muscular growth normally seem in Space Marines. This has caused them to have a reduced strength and overall endurance, yet they have gained an extended life-span and a certain kind of "luck" in combat due to their unique experiences. As such, to prevent a purge of their chapter, they have dropped off the Imperial radar by going rogue, and now have to rely on their own limited resources to maintain their arms and equipment.

 

Better yet, make them part of the Cursed Founding, sort of a flip-side of what happened to the Lamenters, who didn't suffer the Curse of Sanguinius but were horrendously unlucky instead. Your gene-seed could have degraded, but given good luck, but since you are part of the Cursed Founding, and therefore highly suspect, the Imperium wants to purge you for their own safety.

[jeffersonian000]

Actually, my first thought was of a chapter that got totally annihilated while fighting a protracted battle while allied for a planet's defense force. The regular humans continued fighting as the Astertes' numbers dropped, with Guard using the weapons and equipment of their fallen allies. Eventually, there were no more Marines, only elite veteran humans using Marine armour, weapons, and vehicles.

 

Either story works.

 

SJ

[Heru]

Actually, my first thought was of a chapter that got totally annihilated while fighting a protracted battle while allied for a planet's defense force. The regular humans continued fighting as the Astertes' numbers dropped, with Guard using the weapons and equipment of their fallen allies. Eventually, there were no more Marines, only elite veteran humans using Marine armour, weapons, and vehicles.

 

Either story works.

 

SJ

Marine armour wouldn't work with normal humans due to lack of a black carapace and being physically too weak and small to work the servos.

[Lady_Canoness]

You could always use a Fallout theme and use SoB rulles to represent the Brotherhood of Steel (or the enclave if you have awesome conversion skills.)

[ArmouredWing]

jakehunter was probably expecting lady Melissia to turn up with flamers ready...

She won't bother with the flamer, she'll just eat his freakin' skin!

 

:: Looks causiously about ::

Speaking of which...it's gone awfully quiet around here lately hasn't it?

[jeffersonian000]

Actually, my first thought was of a chapter that got totally annihilated while fighting a protracted battle while allied for a planet's defense force. The regular humans continued fighting as the Astertes' numbers dropped, with Guard using the weapons and equipment of their fallen allies. Eventually, there were no more Marines, only elite veteran humans using Marine armour, weapons, and vehicles.

 

Either story works.

 

SJ

Marine armour wouldn't work with normal humans due to lack of a black carapace and being physically too weak and small to work the servos.

 

Which is why it was my first thought, not my first post. Actually, I'm not sold on the Black Carapace response everyone throws out each time it's suggested that non-Marines can wear power armor or that they need Marine level strength to move the suit. Both are assumptions not supported by any fluff I'm aware of, while we have several examples of normal humans in power armor (Sisters, Inquisitors, pirates, etc.) and a few examples of Marines not in power armor retaining their high strength (scouts, scout sergeants, Wolf Scouts, etc.). The Black Carapace just lets Marines interface with their armor on a level superior to that of non-augmented humans. If a human had AdMech neural interfaces installed, they too would interface with Marine armor on the same level. Sisters do not require anything beyond training and practice, while inquisitors can and sometimes do have bionic interfaces. Back in the Freebooter days, normal humans could and would wear power armor and tactical dreadnought armor. Orks too.

 

But that is all water under to bridge. I like the idea of using Sister rules for a DIY Chapter. Hell, I like the idea of using Sisters as a DIY Chapter, but that is for another thread.

 

SJ

[Grand Master Tyrak]

while we have several examples of normal humans in power armor (Sisters, Inquisitors, pirates, etc.)

 

That is a smaller, less protective (and so lighter) suit. Normal Humans couldn't even fit into Astartes armour without getting lost inside the suit. This doesn't show up in the game because the system simply isn't detailed enough. It would show up in the rules for something like Dark Heresy though.

[jeffersonian000]

All the examples I've seem of Inquisitors in power armor show the armor as being just as bulky as Marine armor.

 

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...GameStyle=wh40k

 

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...GameStyle=wh40k

 

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...GameStyle=wh40k

 

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...GameStyle=wh40k

 

You must be thinking of Witch Hunter Inquisitors.

 

SJ

[Grand Master Tyrak]

jeffersonian000 Posted Today, 09:27 AM

All the examples I've seem of Inquisitors in power armor show the armor as being just as bulky as Marine armor.

 

Remember this is the same modelling range where proportion is secondary to aesthetics. Try fitting 9 Marines in the back of a Rhino. :)

[iNsOmNiAc'S dReAm]

while we have several examples of normal humans in power armor (Sisters, Inquisitors, pirates, etc.)

 

That is a smaller, less protective (and so lighter) suit. Normal Humans couldn't even fit into Astartes armour without getting lost inside the suit. This doesn't show up in the game because the system simply isn't detailed enough. It would show up in the rules for something like Dark Heresy though.

 

It should also be noted that not all Astartes power armour offers the same protection... Many older pattern astartes armour lacks many of the upgraded life support/environmental systems that newer pattern armour has...

 

As Jeffer pointed out, it really doesnt matter. Be it Astartes pattern power armour, SoB power armour, looted power armour, inquisitorial power armour, or what the hell ever kinda power armour, It just simply doesnt matter. In 40K they ALL offer the same 3+ armour save and thats all that really matters =/

[krewl]

Actually, my first thought was of a chapter that got totally annihilated while fighting a protracted battle while allied for a planet's defense force. The regular humans continued fighting as the Astertes' numbers dropped, with Guard using the weapons and equipment of their fallen allies. Eventually, there were no more Marines, only elite veteran humans using Marine armour, weapons, and vehicles.

 

Either story works.

 

SJ

Marine armour wouldn't work with normal humans due to lack of a black carapace and being physically too weak and small to work the servos.

 

Looking through the thread I see that some will have reasons to object to your idea, others will love it.

Bottom line is this: Your army, your hobby, your money, your time.

 

Apart from that;

From a fluff point it is STILL possible to have humans (S3 T3 statline) in power armour. Inquisitors do it, sisters do it why would other men not be able to do it.

In the first Horus Heresy novell Horus encountered other humans with working STC tech who also had their armies in powerarmour with boltguns, just without the geneticly enhanced superguys inside. So the Fluff support is there for you to have men in Power armour.

 

Then there's faith, the great fun rule that makes sisters so unique and fun. Based on the fact that faith is just that you could have your army be a brotherhood of monks.

 

This would have great room for conversions which are clear and easy to understand for your opponents (Counts as, but also clear, and not hard to understand.) Just convert them to really have all sorts of relics and religious symbols on their squads, perhaps your want custom build rocket racks full of holey do-dads and angelic figures on a rhino chassis for exorsists. Might I suggest things like the priest figures and Warhammer fantasy models as a source of great plastic religious nutters to use in your conversions? Also regular immolators and some plastic gunner swaps make a propper brotherhood immolator. Top it off with a priest model chearing it on on top pointing at things to burn and It would look perfectly fine.

 

Fantasy heads could be used in place of the normal SM heads, some could even have less armour showing more human instead of astartes physique, thus using your models to remind your opponent when he looks at them that they are not in fact marines. The added benefit is that you'd have a unique arm,y buit all made of GW plastics so tourny legal even on GT's.

Make shure that your weapons are exactly what they represent, and you're away :).

 

Remember that the strong emphasis on WYSIWYG is for gaming purposes, to prevent misunderstandings. This is meant for your armies weapons and things like not looking like Ultramarines but using Khorne berserker rules which would through off your opponent.

 

For example: I plan on using a Renegade Ordo Xenos inquisitor(s) with remote controls on his bio experiments to represent synaps and Nids with radio's built into their heads and suchs. This is clear and a nice conversion. Not according to everyone's idea how a Zoantrope should look, but a floating Inq. on a hover chair, with an underslung gun and a remote controll unit is easy to remember as replacing a zoantrope with synapse (Remote) and Warp blast (The gun). think allong these lines and your conversions should only elect positive responces instead of angry ones.

 

Good luck on your idea and when you do enter into gameplay we'd like to see your brothers of battle.

[heretic??ME??]

Acolytes in power armour squad

Right well I feel that as long as you don't take the mick with count as and fluff it up then go for it. As long as you clearly pointed out who was who before the game I wouldn't have a problem.

 

Above is my colour scheme for a single unit of MALE Acolytes (SOB) in power amour for my radical INQ. I have a 4000 point sisters army so I can just take a spare squad to games for cover if the opponent kicks off. And this is your problem some people will moan and not play you. Tournaments make sense, but in friendlies... if the person won't play you they are missing out on a spin on the game.

[Nougat]

Bit sketchy since all you're using from WH are the rules. If the models and the fluff are Space Marine, why not use Space Marine rules? At least that's the reaction I imagine you'll get. It's probably going to come across as somewhat cheesy, similar to using proxy models on a regular basis, even if you have put some thought into it. I feel your pain with the expense of SoB though.