Captain Kael Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I was just wondering, did the legions of old use weapons such as the marines use in the devestator marine box. Like the lascannon, multimelta, plasma cannon? Captain Kael :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162683-pre-heresy-weapons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senseilord Ashahara Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Yeah but older marks.( spake Captain Obvious) One could suggest that their plasma weaponary might be more common and reliable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162683-pre-heresy-weapons/#findComment-1912194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyp100 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 The fluff on Plasma in the HH is a bit iffy, really. Seemed they have pistols and cannons, but not the normal guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162683-pre-heresy-weapons/#findComment-1912213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwing Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 If you look in the HH visual collection (I think its called that. The series of books with the artwork from the card game), it shows quite a few images of entire squads with plasma guns, much like they had entire squads with dual flame pistols. Going from that as a source, they did have all the weapons that are available as now, just they equiped the entire squad, or a good amount of that squad, with them. This was probably ok back then with there being far more marines assigned under one command, and the ability to manufacture such weapons that in the 41st are difficult to get a hold of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162683-pre-heresy-weapons/#findComment-1912371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Meltas and Multimeltas weren't too common I think. One of the PH buffs will know more than me though :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162683-pre-heresy-weapons/#findComment-1912383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Going on what has been said in other threads, Collected Visions, the BoLS website and tempus fugitives campaign pack for their age of the Emperor campaign: - Plasma and melta weaponry exists and is in use, having just begun to be distributed throughout the legions. although not in the same quantity as in 40k. For some reason there seems to be argument against multi-meltas, although there is a picture in Collected Visions of a world eater marine armed with one melting a dreadnought. - Same again for assault cannons. Early prototypes and limited use, but you would expect to see alot more reaper autocannons in their place. Theres a picture of an assault cannon-weilding squad of marines in power armour in Collected Visions, but opinions differ as to whether this is legitimate or another example of the 'purple ultramarine' (i.e. the artist didn't do his research/got his brief wrong). - If you really want to get down to minutae, bolters as the Crusade/Heresy pattern feature the firing grip for the marines hand being infront of the magazine (as featured in much RT era marine artwork), rather than after it as featured with the current Godwyn pattern bolter. - Autocannons are used a lot more, often in place of missile launchers. - No stormbolters! Alot of people model pre-heresy terminators as using twin-linked bolters instead (much smaller magazine and a single nozzle). There is some discussion that the Luna Wolves Justaerin (1st company terminators) used a prototype version of the stormbolter at Ullanor (so just prior to Horus being named Warmaster), but unless you are modelling these guys I would give Stormbolters a wide berth if you are aiming for authenticity. - Rhinos/Rhino proxies used havoc missile launchers, as seen in 40k with chaos marine forces. - Jetpacks were in use, but in limited quantities. They also differed greatly in conception to their 40k counterpart, looking more like giant jet-turbines (and in my opinion alot cooler :mellow: ) in alot of the artwork concerned. - use of robot maniples in the legion. Again, this seems a bit of an effort to retcon in some of the old RT era Imperial stuff. Different classes of robot, basically use the RT era stuff for these, or go to town with your imagination when modelling :) Vehicles are another subject entirely, and so i won't get started with them here, but I hope this helps! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162683-pre-heresy-weapons/#findComment-1912424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 For some reason there seems to be argument against multi-meltas, The reason is that the 2nd Edition Chaos Codex stated that at the time of the Heresy the Imperium had discovered the STC for the Meltagun and as such that was in full production and widespead use, whereas the AdMech had yet to understand the principles behind the technology that would later allow them to develop the Multi-Melta. Theres a picture of an assault cannon-weilding squad of marines in power armour in Collected Visions, but opinions differ as to whether this is legitimate or another example of the 'purple ultramarine' (i.e. the artist didn't do his research/got his brief wrong). Or a homage to Space Crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162683-pre-heresy-weapons/#findComment-1912461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kael Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Cool thanks guys! Captain Kael ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162683-pre-heresy-weapons/#findComment-1917511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Theres a picture of an assault cannon-weilding squad of marines in power armour in Collected Visions, but opinions differ as to whether this is legitimate or another example of the 'purple ultramarine' (i.e. the artist didn't do his research/got his brief wrong). Or a homage to Space Crusade. Ah thats a great point hadn't thought of that! Genius bit of retconning on Gw's part! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162683-pre-heresy-weapons/#findComment-1917690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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