Frostwolf Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Hi, I've only recently realised while lurking in these forums that the WGBL can pick gear fromt he wolf guard weapon options and consequently pick an assault cannon if wearing terminator armor. This is probably one of the most awsome things ever. I simply can't believe it took me all these years before I got to see it. Obviously, I wanted to get something converted to that effect as soon as I learned about it and had a Logan Grimnar model with some missing pieces lying around. So I started putting it together and I'm now at the point where I'll need to order a blister of metal assault cannons to complete it. It would already be done if it weren't for the rumors I read in here saying that our new army book might be coming in the next few months and that this option will most likely disappear as the Wolves get "codexified" a bit. Now, it would make me a sad, sad puppy if I had a model that I managed to attach an assault cannon to with some green stuffing and everything and then had to rip the gun off because the codex no longer supports it. Now, my question is should I still get the assault cannons and go through with the conversion even if it means I only get to use it for the next 2 or 3 months and need to rip it off if the rules are changed in the next codex? OR should I play it safe and get over it right away by strapping a storm shield on there and forgetting I even had the option for an assault cannon? OR screw the next codex and keep the model as a special character with house rules? So what is this board's take on this? And if anyone has made such a conversion (WGBL with assault cannon), please post them here so I can revel in the awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 A) New Codex is MAYBE by the end of this year, take it with a grain of salt. :) Us becoming more vanilla isn't likely, things might change, but I don't foresee that this model being completely useless if you make it. C) I'd say make it. Termies with PF/AC are pretty nasty, and to be honest, even if you don't use him as a WGBL, he'll still be fierce in any capacity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1914081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostwolf Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 Oh I already have all the "basic" wolf guards with assault cannons I need. ;) I want to do this with a HQ unit in mind so I don't think I'd be comfortable with using it as a "basic" terminator. I'd feel bad at having built something up starting with our Great Wolf only to have him relegated to a simple wolf guard. That being said, if the new codex is only due for the end of the year, I'd say it's very possible we won't see it 'till late 2010 considering it's been "scheduled" to come out at the end of the last 3 years. :) I guess that should leave me plenty of time to enjoy playing with it to make it worth finishing the conversion. Time to order some bits! I'll be posting pics of it for sure once it's done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1914139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnarRedsun Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 i must say i am tempted to make a wgbl with twin lightning claws and cyclone, but i'm holding off til the new codex personally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1914142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 well...seeing as how i am starting all anew with marines after selling off 2 4k pint armies in the last year...im takin my time and toolin my counts as wolves up pretty good. heck man, as much rumor and innuendo rolls round about release dates why wouldnt you go ahead and build em up and use him for the next ... however long. GW could fold tomorrow and we might not get it anyways so.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1914212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I say go for it, though personally I just use the old wolf gaurd seargent and added an AC instead of his SB you know? Of course I also switched out his powersword for a chainaxe, done up as a frost blade. Its certainly worth it.... Now for an HQ and only ever an HQ mini, *shrugs* Im not sure youll want it in five years, but I think its worth it now. As for the new Dex, no one knows whatll be in it and people have been conjecturing for longer than Ive been on these boards. Count it up, minimum of five years weve been hearing "around x-mas this year.... or maybe in july." Dont sweat the codex until you see it on preorder, everything else is just a myth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1914276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Sniper Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Do it. I have WGBLs with missile launchers, lascannons and plasma cannons (2 wound Devastators for Apocalypse). The Codex is probably never coming to be honest... they've been promising it's release since before I started the hobby. I think I might do this now actually... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1914816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Ok, well first thing I'll say is according to everything I've heard, the new Codex is coming Sept-Dec 09. So I'd say as a dedicated WGBL HQ option, no as we will almost undoubtedly lose it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1914825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostwolf Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 I see opinions are pretty divided on the subject. :unsure: The opinions on a possible release date for a new codex still seem to be purely speculative. I could be within the next few months, right after a new Imperial Guard codex, or it could be around the end of the year or it could be at the Wolftime (at least we'd have Russ in the book). I think I'll still go for it. The possibility of still having quite a lot of time before I see some new rules is very high and that tells me I'll be able to fit in a few games before we get them. And that means more assault cannon goodness for me. I guess I'll decide what to do with the model once the new book is on the shelves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1914962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Seriously, just make the conversion, the arms can always come off. Likely they'll get rid of WGBL's in the new codex though, so he'd likely become a lord or a bodyguard at that point. Who knows they might just keep WGBL's and your assault cannon, the bottom line being we won't know for months and months so why not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1914974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirnir Ragefang Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Do it, at worst youll wind up with a awesome Wolfguard Bodyguard in Terminatorarmour. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1915005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Do it... You can always just use him as a normal termie and he might not becoe obsolete... In the meanwhile you'll have a cool mini :tu: And letting 'Codex Angst/concern' stop us from making models could apply to even the lowliest of Blood Claw and their meltas... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1915021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Even if it is only for a few months that you get to enjoy rolling 4 dice hitting on 2s, it's worth every minute of modeling and painting time you put into it. Since you have never used a WGBL with a Heavy Weapon choice, you have alot of missed time to make up for. The real question is, should you also make a WGBL with a Cyclone Missle Launcher?! :) WG Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1915199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Even if it is only for a few months that you get to enjoy rolling 4 dice hitting on 2s, it's worth every minute of modeling and painting time you put into it. Since you have never used a WGBL with a Heavy Weapon choice, you have alot of missed time to make up for. The real question is, should you also make a WGBL with a Cyclone Missle Launcher?! :huh: WG Vrox Maybe someone has slipped something in my mead again, but I believe that GW is honestly afraid of us Space Wolves. Card me if I am wrong, I think but the only thing selling better than us is vanilla marines, and we have a great deal of freedom with army options compared to, say, Ultramarines. Freedom we have all gotten nicely settled in with. I don't think they will risk messing too much with a bunch of axe-wielding, grizzled heavy drinkers. Go ahead and makes it, says I. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1915388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostwolf Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 At this point I've pretty much decided I'll do it. I've discussed it with my regular gaming buddies and even if the option to give an assault cannon to a battle leader is taken out in the next codex, we'll make a house rule about it and turn him into a special character so I can keep using him as a HQ unit. I don't really play with random people anyway so my opponents will know about him and I won't have to negociate for him every game I play. I'll be posting pics for sure once he's finished although I can't figure out for the life of me how to take decent ones... photoshop ftw I guess. I'd love to see some pics if anyone has converted a mode to be used specificaly as a WGBL with assault cannon. I know the easy way to go at it is simply using a termie with AC and telling the opponent he's a HQ but I've seen it in so many army lists that I can't believe that no one has ever made a conversion for this. I've gone through the space wolves gallery but there weren't any I could find there and my search-fu is either not quite good enough to find it in the painting/wip board or it has simply never been done/posted. Sooo... got pics? Post 'em if you got 'em. I'd love to see how it turned out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1916410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Might as well Frost! Also, don't forget, conversions always rock! Most of my conversions aren't even HQs, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1916824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Besides, we play in the game were in not the game that will be eh? Thats why I dont have lil lasers in all of my bolters to check LOS for headshots. Lol. Hey who knows, if the new codex does kick this out of HQ and into elites you might just have to do four more WG conversions for the rest of the pack... that would just be horrible wouldnt it? To have to make such a beautiful squad of killy terminators..... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1916827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Besides, we play in the game were in not the game that will be eh? Thats why I dont have lil lasers in all of my bolters to check LOS for headshots. Lol. Hey who knows, if the new codex does kick this out of HQ and into elites you might just have to do four more WG conversions for the rest of the pack... that would just be horrible wouldnt it? To have to make such a beautiful squad of killy terminators..... :wub: I'm with Grey. Like 1/3 of my Hunters and Claws aren't painted because they aren't conversions. I'd spend 12 hours converting before I'd spend 6 hours assembling and painting rank and file. Partially why I love the Wolves, at least all our marines don't look exactly the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1916848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Yeah, I had the same idea with a cyclone. I pinned, but didnt glue, it just in case. But the best thing to do would be to magnatise his wargear, that way you swap them around anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-1917073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostwolf Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 Arise from the grave! I know it's bad form to unearth old threads but I figure that since this is a legitimate update (if a very late one) it should be fine. I finally did it and converted Logan Grimnar to turn him into an assault cannon totting battle leader. The model I had had a few missing pieces (his pelt and the axe of morkai) so I had to scratch build a few parts to patch the holes. I know the paint job is pretty basic but I settled on a table standard. I figure this model is going to be moved around a lot from one game to another so I don't want to feel bad if I damage it a bit a need to do some touch ups every now and then. Also, I know that the ammo case seems to be bent down and, well, it is. Cutting it off the terminator arm was a bit complicated and that's why I patched things up with a green stuff pelt. Still, I feel I got the look pretty right and it makes for an impressive HQ even if he's "only" a battle leader. Nuff' said. Time to show him off. http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8532/image001dwd.jpg http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/image001dwd.jpg/1/w1324.png http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6945/image002kcn.jpg http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/image002kcn.jpg/1/w1223.png http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5108/image003pot.jpg http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/image003pot.jpg/1/w1311.png http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9401/image004vju.jpg http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/image004vju.jpg/1/w1331.png Well, that's pretty much it. C&c welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-2016626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Looks really good man. Very good indeed. Heres hoping we keep it in the next 'dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-2016695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 That is a really sharp job. Congrats! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-2016711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Nice action pose Frost Ok, the next thing we need to know, has he seen any battles and how did he do? WG Vrox. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-2016771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostwolf Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 @ Grey Mage and Warhorse47, thanks for the props. I sure hope that option remains in the next codex but even if it isn't, I'll just turn him into a special character and make up some house rules for him. I must say I'm pretty happy with how he turned out. At first I didn't know how well I would patch it up as i had never worked with green stuff. Luckily for me, pelts aren't very difficult to sculpt. In the end, all those pelts and the beard got him the nickname Furry McWolfpelt. Can't say I don't like it. @ Vrox, he did see some action in my first game of apocalypse ever which I player last weekend. It wasn't so glorious though... I had him near the dead man zone with a bodyguard of 7 terminators (3 more assault cannons) thinking I was enough out of sight that I wouldn't get obliterated in the first turn. Oh how wrong I was. The unit got shot to pieces in one turn although I must say it required a rather large part of the opposing force's firepower to take them down. Still, I didn't get to fire one shot with him... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-2017198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demogerg Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 @ Grey Mage and Warhorse47, thanks for the props. I sure hope that option remains in the next codex but even if it isn't, I'll just turn him into a special character and make up some house rules for him. I must say I'm pretty happy with how he turned out. At first I didn't know how well I would patch it up as i had never worked with green stuff. Luckily for me, pelts aren't very difficult to sculpt. In the end, all those pelts and the beard got him the nickname Furry McWolfpelt. Can't say I don't like it. @ Vrox, he did see some action in my first game of apocalypse ever which I player last weekend. It wasn't so glorious though... I had him near the dead man zone with a bodyguard of 7 terminators (3 more assault cannons) thinking I was enough out of sight that I wouldn't get obliterated in the first turn. Oh how wrong I was. The unit got shot to pieces in one turn although I must say it required a rather large part of the opposing force's firepower to take them down. Still, I didn't get to fire one shot with him... :cry: Apocalypse is like that. My next Apoc game im running a Reaver titan and 3 Land Raiders filled with Wolf Guard Battle leaders armed with TDA, Assault Cannons, Chainfists, Wolf Pelts, Runic Charms, and Storm Shields. its going to be 19 Assault Cannons (76 shots) hitting on 2's (63 hits) 10 Rends, which is about 3 pens and 3 glances on AV 14, then I'll get to asssult... 95 attacks hitting on 3's to an enemy titan (63 hits) 21/36 will pen (36 pens) which averages to about 14 structure points (plus the other results) worth of damage, oh I'm sorry how many structure points does your titan have... lol. hopefully my enemy will be focusing on the titan and my superkillhammermega-awesomekillkillkill land raiders will be able to hit something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/162856-wgbl-conversion/#findComment-2017727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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