Space Wolves are Cheaters!

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Just a tip for you fellas experiencing problems with people claiming the Wolves are cheesy/beardy/broken etc. I get the same problem with my DH, and the easiest way to deal with it is to just tell the complainer that they're more than welcome to help you lobby GW for an updated codex.

[muzzyman1981]

yes because anyone without FAQ can say that this means the 3ed sm dex[and that one is illegal] making the sw dex an illegal one . Its not the way I like it , but there are many big tournaments all around the world that bann sw from play , just because of that . See orgs and judges dont like to say "we dont know how it works" and its offten easier to say that this or that codex is too outdated to be played [specially as few people own them and sw armies compering to the number of other meq armies] .

 

Ok, also by that logic Dark Eldar are an unplayable army as well, because if I'm not mistaken their codex is darn near if not as old or older than ours....however they are not a sub-army of the Eldar. They are a fully fleshed out and seperate army from the Eldar. Also by that logic, any army without a 5th Ed codex (i.e. was printed AFTER or declared 5th Edition) can no longer use their codex and therefore unplayable.

 

Also the Drop Pod thing is not in the FAQ section but in the errata section, making it official and therefore legal in a tourney. Now a tourney master/runner may decide to let any army they choose to play for whatever reasons they feel like giving...this doesn't mean you have to play.

 

Lets be reasonable, this is simple....until GW comes out saying that you have to use your codex with the edition of rules and/or codex that come out at the time of printing, then you use the current edition. This means Space Wolves get the Drop Pod Assault Rules, cheap Storm Shields...however it means we lose Totems and other items.

[Wolf89]

I've had it, I'm playing my wolves as chaos. ;)

 

May the 3 daemonically possessed 2 lash prince list be a lesson when telling a wolf he can't play his list anymore... which do you prefer?

[Grey Mage]

Apparently if a space wolf player uses the drop pod assault rules to bring in half their drop pods on the first or uses the profile for storm shields from C:SM they are cheaters. At least that was the claim by a recent tournament player who called back to the store to inform them of this blatant rules violoation. They apparently had it on good authority however as they mentioned their friend told them that these space wolves tactics were not allowed.

 

This from an adult player who by the way had terrible dice etiquette, he would of course pick up his hits along with a few extra instead of picking out his misses. I didn't call him on it cause I was winning but I made a point of always picking out my misses and waiting a good long pause for him to see my succesful rolls. Does this game attract people like this cause I see it a lot and it sucks because it really takes the fun out of the game. I can understand wanting to verify legality of list but check it out in a codex/FAQ before you call a store and state that a player cheated by bringing an illegal list.

 

Well this is better than I thought, no offense but when your title was there my first thought was ""f'in troll". Sorry. As for this crap, hopefull your LGS guys are smarter than this, and really they are the people you should talk to. His "friend" is not an authority, I dont care if the man wrote the BRB.

 

However since you heard about this I assume theyve already talked to you.... so this should be straitened out. Remember, as einstein said- there are only two infinite things in the universe- space and human stupidity, and Im not sure about the former.

[Gondlir the Wandbearer]

I've had it, I'm playing my wolves as chaos. ;)

 

May the 3 daemonically possessed 2 lash prince list be a lesson when telling a wolf he can't play his list anymore... which do you prefer?

 

I played against a 2-lash list the other day with my 'pod wolves. Draw - neither had scoring units left at the end, partly due to tactical mistakes about where to 'pod down on my part.

 

And SW work perfectly fine within the rules. The Codex handily doesn't mention you have to use exclusively the 3rd edition codex, so unless otherwise mentioned, you do the obvious thing and always use the latest version of a ruleset (be it the BGB, or the SM Codex).

For anything which, after that, is still a bit of a grey area, there's the FAQ.

[Ullr Direfang]

and even when the FAQ fails, a quick call to GW clears things up for the time being. i always have my FAQ (the real on and the one from here to help "try" and clear things up) and being the sad individual that i am, i have GW as the last speed dial on my cell... if any SW argument lasts more the a few minutes, who even i am playing can wait for the call to go through, and usually hear from the speaker phone what i was telling them, because i have called GW with questions on just about everything, and people tend to stop arguing when they get publicly put in their place like that.

[the jeske]

Ok, also by that logic Dark Eldar are an unplayable army as well, because if I'm not mistaken their codex is darn near if not as old or older than ours....

that depends what gear is taken , also remember that the DE dex was a stand alone dex [+ there is even fewer people playing DE then SW specially at tournaments].

 

Also by that logic, any army without a 5th Ed codex (i.e. was printed AFTER or declared 5th Edition) can no longer use their codex and therefore unplayable.

its not my logic . Just check non US/UK forums [spain ones for example or czech ones] and you will see that a lot of tournaments banned SW from tournaments . Does it suck ? yes . but the main concern there was the best of both world SW got and the old rules .

[Wolf89]

And SW work perfectly fine within the rules. The Codex handily doesn't mention you have to use exclusively the 3rd edition codex, so unless otherwise mentioned, you do the obvious thing and always use the latest version of a ruleset (be it the BGB, or the SM Codex).

For anything which, after that, is still a bit of a grey area, there's the FAQ.

 

My sarcasm is hard to tell online, but I'm not really going to use my wolves as Chaos, I was merely just saying I didn't want to deal with dumb people complaining about how cheese the SW list is so I thought I'd post a list that's often seen and often wins at tournaments.

 

Of course the SW's work fine with the new rules, I play them 2-3 times a week and have a constant win ratio of 5:1 or better at times (most of the time coming down to lucky rolls at the end to see if the game goes on for more turns or not, where if they had or hadn't it would have been a draw... objectives my friend, so important).

 

I've already explained to my buds at my LGS's that I'd readily make a C:SM list, which their quick reply is "NO please don't" as it would be far to easy for me to bring back my salamanders who have a 39-0-0 record in 5th edition with the new dex.

 

Whereas my Wolves at least my opponents know that if they stop me early in my tracks (literally) then the threat is greatly reduced from having only short range weaponry.

 

Do people have the right to ban wolves, well sure, it's their tournaments, it's their entrance fee's they're loosing, but at the same time, why not ban others? What makes SW's the center of attention for needing to be banned, there are far to many discrepancies in other armies out there that the ban list would even extend to 4th and 5th edition armies.

[Long Fang]

Well thankfully when I've come up against these problems my clubs games master has usually backed me up. We play along the lines of....

 

GW is an English company

The English GT is therefore the premier event

English GT allows SW's

 

Thankyou very much I'm off for an ale.

[dragon950]

I've solved this by talking to my friend who plays a blood angel army, which I believe is still a 4th ed. army. We solved this by deciding on going by the old rules or new, we go by the new rules. so anything that isn't in the new sm codex like bionics I dont use. But if it's a special rule, like true grit, is still usable. It's caused no problems so far and it is pretty balanced.

[Grey Mage]

And thats exactly how its supposed to work.... and how the faq spells it out too for that matter.