Krieghammer Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Hi all Im currently reading the Space Wolf omnibus, and come to think about something.. Do the Space Wolf have any second founding chapters? i mean like Crimson Fists from Imperial fists, and Diciples of Caliban from Dark Angels? cus i was thinking of painting some SW minis but in a different colourscheme, more specifficaly in the colours of the Fangs of Russ! or would this be an outrage? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 /Begin Rune Priest in Training Mode *eyes glow blue* Young whelp, the Sons of Russ have only ever had one Successor Chapter, the ill-fated Wolf Brothers. This Chapter suffered a massive failure of geneseed soon after the founding, only to be declared Excommunicate Traitorus by the Inquisition and destroyed for their "deviancy". Since then, no Chapter has ever been created using the Space Wolves' geneseed, as the the Adeptus Terra and Mechanicum of Mars consider it far to dangerous to use.... *eyes stop glowing* /End Rune Priest in Training Mode Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1918399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 The Wolf Brothers were declared Excommunicate Traitoris? I thought they were just destroyed because they were all turning into wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1918400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 The Wolf Brothers were declared Excommunicate Traitoris? I thought they were just destroyed because they were all turning into wolves. The =][= had to declare that before attacking them, otherwise it would have been an unprovoked attack on a Loyalist Astartes Chapter. And especially since they were from the Wolves' Legion, that would have been a second Civil War of a galactic scale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1918404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 The Wolf Brothers are listed as "Disbanded due to genetic instability." I believe there was some old fluff suggesting they were an attempt to "control" the Canis Helix using (gasp) Dark Angels Geneseed. Needless to say, this didn't work and the =][= descended. And that, as they say, was that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1918454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 There is no proof of the genseed being used for a new chapter, most are made with ultra seed, but they say the bloodraven are 1000 sons gen seed so if thats true there is no reason to think they never used SW genseed to make a chapter. Its all up to you to write your fluff and make a chapter that happens to be like the wolves. The fangs can be missing, they just didn't insert the gland, a lot of chapters use less than the full list of organs. Again, its all up to you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Theres always the lost company route. You see not only do wolf lords have full command over their own troops they can, in extinuating circumstances or the rise of a new wolf lord, declare that they are not going to do what the greatwolf says.... they disagree with his policies etc. They are still loyal to the imperium, they are still space wolves, but they arent space wolves at the same time.... see? There are many different reasons... the new Old Wolf was a lifelong bitter rival, or they feel hes not tactically sound or doubt his honor. Other reasons are that they are beyond travel distance to return to the fang and so continue their crusades out on the edges of the galaxy. Either way they could change their heraldry and color scheme at this point no problem. On the other hand you could be a chapter that is not SW geneseed but looks up to them, possibly a cursed fouding. You could have gotten training, and guidence for that matter, from the space wolf chapter and follow their organization system and tactics. In the end its your army, do what you want. Just know if you paint it pink Ill hunt you and your blood to the ends of the earth :blink:. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krieghammer Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 Whoa thanks for the replies! I really like the idea of the Wolf Brothers!. Is it possible to say that a small group of survivors escaped the claws of the Inquisition? Would be cool as hell if a small gathering of the Wolf Brothers still roamed the stars in the name of Russ. Strenghtening their position by dealing with heretical and excommunicated Cardinals, while still in the name of Russ fight the forces of chaos! Banished from their former Home, now mongering in the Maelstrom together with other rampage Space Marines. True lone Wolfs that are surrounded by enemies everywhere they turn! Would such a history fit in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 If you wanted you could just say that you are the wolf brothers... there are people who make legions from the horus heresy era... so why not make a chapter from the 33rd millenia. Nothing stopping you... so if you want to make the wolf brothers, go for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGC Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Whoa thanks for the replies!I really like the idea of the Wolf Brothers!. Is it possible to say that a small group of survivors escaped the claws of the Inquisition? Would be cool as hell if a small gathering of the Wolf Brothers still roamed the stars in the name of Russ. Strenghtening their position by dealing with heretical and excommunicated Cardinals, while still in the name of Russ fight the forces of chaos! Banished from their former Home, now mongering in the Maelstrom together with other rampage Space Marines. True lone Wolfs that are surrounded by enemies everywhere they turn! Would such a history fit in? Sounds like a candidate for the 13th Company Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Yeah.... thats actually not a bad idea if your friends are up for it. Take a look at the 13nth co rules. Remember though... no vehicles, but alot of perks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Whoa thanks for the replies!I really like the idea of the Wolf Brothers!. Is it possible to say that a small group of survivors escaped the claws of the Inquisition? Would be cool as hell if a small gathering of the Wolf Brothers still roamed the stars in the name of Russ. Strenghtening their position by dealing with heretical and excommunicated Cardinals, while still in the name of Russ fight the forces of chaos! Banished from their former Home, now mongering in the Maelstrom together with other rampage Space Marines. True lone Wolfs that are surrounded by enemies everywhere they turn! Would such a history fit in? I fear i must disappoint you. All known Wolf Brothers that had survived so far turn to chaos. They´re up with the Red Corsairs (see the Apocalypse book) and at least one of them is with Warsmith Honsou of the Iron Warriors (There is a short story in the novel Planetkill) They´re no longer servants of Russ and the Emperor, they had become the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Not all sons of horus turned to chaos, not all wordbearers turned to chaos, must i go on?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Indeed, it does seem that the terra-born marines proved less likely to turn heretic than those who went through the accelerated gene implantation process. For the SW, it seems from the new HH book, that the Fenris born wolves who went through this became the original 13th Great Company. Anyway - sorry for drifting :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Indeed, it does seem that the terra-born marines proved less likely to turn heretic than those who went through the accelerated gene implantation process. For the SW, it seems from the new HH book, that the Fenris born wolves who went through this became the original 13th Great Company. Anyway - sorry for drifting ;) No, both Terran and Fenrisian SW could succumb to the Curse of the Wulfen. This condition was usually diagnosed during the process of surgically and psychologically modifiying a normal man to become a SM, but it could also strike later in a SW´s life. (HH-artbook, p.235) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantyr Greymantle Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 and not all Wolf Brothers turned to chaos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Indeed, it does seem that the terra-born marines proved less likely to turn heretic than those who went through the accelerated gene implantation process. For the SW, it seems from the new HH book, that the Fenris born wolves who went through this became the original 13th Great Company. Anyway - sorry for drifting :) No, both Terran and Fenrisian SW could succumb to the Curse of the Wulfen. This condition was usually diagnosed during the process of surgically and psychologically modifiying a normal man to become a SM, but it could also strike later in a SW´s life. (HH-artbook, p.235) Sorry, if I didn't make myself clear. My point was that of those Primarchs that joined Horus, the story so far has the terran-born members of their Legions remaining faithful. This has been linked to the accelerated gene implantation that the adult followers of the Primarchs went through when the Primarchs were found and their followers integrated into their new Legion. The 13th Great Company are now introduced as the original followers of Russ on Fenris - the wolfbrothers. I recall that the 13th Great Company had a reputation for a higher number of Wulfen even before being dispatched into the Eye of Terror than the other Great Companies. I did not say that terran-born SW couldn't succumb to the curse but that the accelerated gene implantation process may have exacerbated the curse in the original wolfbrothers (as opposed to the Second Founding Wolf Brothers). This is not to say that all terrans are loyal or outlanders heretics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1919865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Actually information on the Wolf Brothers is contradictory at best, while you could do whatever you want with your army, that doesn't make it practical or likely. There's little indication that any Wolf Brothers survived and remained loyalists, it's possible but like many things not very likely. Likewise there has been absolutely zero indication of Chapters made using the Space Wolves Gene-Seed and given the idiosyncracies of it and the unstable Canis Helix it's easy to see why. If your going to do Space Wolves I suggest doing actual Space Wolves or a Lost Company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1921021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 sorry - double post Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163242-sw-second-founding/#findComment-1948575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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