ChainsawDR Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Hi all, I'm doing some painting and I've got two quick questions please... 1. Are Land Speeder Drivers GH's or BC's? I want to do a kind of pack marking on the side and I don't know whether to go red/yellow (for BC) or Red/Black (for GH) 2. The Metal Blood Claws from the early 1990's - there are 9 normal BC's and then either a sergeant or a Wolf Guard, does anyone know which it is? I'm unsure whether to paint his right pauldron red/yellow, or black/yellow (for Wolf Guard). Thanks all. ChainsawDR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 1) GH, orwould you give a BC an antigrav vehicle? 2) The guy with the without helmet and the PF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 Without helmet, with PF. Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Blood Claws Here you can see him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 1. Grey Hunters, or possibly Long Fangs. Fluff differs over exactly who drives all these things so it's your choice. 2. As Dark Bjoern said, it's the bare headed PF dude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 Cheers for the help and the link guys. The model I have is described as the "Blood Claw Sergeant" - this is confusing me a little - would I use him in a game as a standard Blood Claw, or would he be the Wolf Guard Pack leader for the pack? I still don't know whether to paint his pauldron red/yellow or black/yellow. Thanks again, sorry if I'm being really stupid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Back in 2nd Ed they called them Sergeants. Now they had become Pack Leaders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 space wolf squads always used to have access to sergeants rather than wolf guard hence why he's named as a sergeant, now adays (or at least when they used to stock them) they sell him as a wolf guard so yellow and black it is, besides which he looks to cool to be a regular trooper... oh and with the landspeeders, the fluff does differ but its generally agreed by most that the divers of most vehicles are grey hunters andy +edit+ hah, u just got there before me db... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuro Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 When we get a new codex we'll know if "wolfguard" become the pack leaders, as veterans have done for codex marines. In that instance I'd probably still paint them as members of the pack - My thinking is that if every squad is led by a veteran, then who makes up the veteran squad and command squad. There wouldn't be enough of them. Plus, 2nd edition defined the space wolves. I try to stick by it as much as I can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 I'm planning on varnishing them tomorrow and I don't want to have to strip it all off at a later time to repaint the pauldron, if people wouldn't mind "voting" on what they'd do then I think I'll follow with the majority. So far theres one vote for BC pack colours (red/yellow) and one vote for Wolf Guard colours (Yellow/Black). Thanks again guys. ChainsawDR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmoor Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 #1. Land Speeders drivers should be painted up as Blood Claws, just like they all are in the codexes. The reasons why are the same as why only Blood Claws have jump packs. Only the young and foolish would be flying around in a contraption, and no older, respectable Space Wolf would be caught dead in one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 #1. Land Speeders drivers should be painted up as Blood Claws, just like they all are in the codexes. The reasons why are the same as why only Blood Claws have jump packs. Only the young and foolish would be flying around in a contraption, and no older, respectable Space Wolf would be caught dead in one. would disagree with that cos then they would have BS3 rather than 4 but hey... i'd personally paint tem up as grey hunters cos its what i see them as being... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 so that's one vote each for BC vs GH colours on land speeders, and one vote each for BC vs WG colours on the Sergeant. Any more votes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I see them as Grey Hunters myself, jump packs are simple and dangerous as all heck but Land Speeders are very complex, expensive, and rare (comparatively speaking) and very unlikely to be given to a unit prone to rushing in. Plus going by rules, as stinkenheim said they would be BS3....they are not, so would be more likely Grey Hunters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 Thank you, thats decided then - the Land Speeder is going to go against the codex pics and have Grey Hunter markings on the side - I think BC colours might look better, but BS4 indicates Grey Hunters, and thats the way the votes gone as well. That leaves the question of colour markings on the Blood Claw Sergeant, a tied result so far - although I've already painted him as a BC, I don't think I'd want to use him in a game as a standard BC - so I'm going to paint over the red markings with Black and make him a Wolf Guard, and use him only when I've bought a pack leader for the squad. Thanks for all your help guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Especially since there are no provisions for any Space Wolf Sgts I would just make him a Wolf Guard leader Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Sergeants = Wolf Guard Pack Leaders to all intents and purposes. Of course, WGPL's are far more awesome. But nevermind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Yeah but they are still Wolf Guard.....that's what I mean. There is no separation between Wolf Guard Leaders and any other Wolf Guard, fluff-wise. Whereas in "codex" Space Marine Chapters there you can be a Sgt but not be in the First Company. I get what you are saying, in gaming terms Wolf Guard Leaders are "Sgts" =P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 My votes- Grey Hunters in the speeders. Wolf Gaurd Pack Leader on the "seargent". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1918773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 #1. Land Speeders drivers should be painted up as Blood Claws, just like they all are in the codexes. The reasons why are the same as why only Blood Claws have jump packs. Only the young and foolish would be flying around in a contraption, and no older, respectable Space Wolf would be caught dead in one. Which codex do you refer to as the original one specifically listed them as GH and the current one only says "Darren Latham has repeated the pilot's pack marking on this Land Speeder" next photo candy - GH fly Thunderhawks so why would LS cause them any problems? Still, if you want to drop their BS by one but still pay the same points then crack on :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163243-two-questions-on-sws/#findComment-1919072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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