AnarchX Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Is there anything that tells us how a Great Company should be laid out? The book Insignium Astartes lays out the structure for Ultramarines, and the PDF for Blood Angesl gives some insight into their structure, I was just wondering if there was anything like that for Space Wolves... Thanks, AnarchX Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Ahh... but for searchy... Look Here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1919481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnarchX Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 Thanks for the link, sorry for not using the Search funtion. In my defense, I did as about the structure and not the size. ^_^ Thanks, AnarchX Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1919531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnarchX Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 For the record, the information I was looking for can be found in the 2nd Edition Space Wolves Codex on page 11. According to this information Wolf Priests, Rune Priests, Iron Priests and Dreadnoughts do not belong to a Great Company but instead are considered part of the Great Wolf's company. The Wolf Scouts are also mentioned as such, but the information doesn't seem to jive with the current description of Wolf Scouts as they are mentioned as "new recruits." Anyway, I was looking more for something along the lines of what you see on p18-19 of C:SM. Thanks, AnarchX Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1919562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 The Great Wolf commands his own company which is about the size of the other companies. Then he also commands the different priests( Iron, Rune, Wolf), plus the scouts, the dreadnoughts, and what serfs that are serving at the fang at the time. One of the great things about our chapter is that we send every company out to battle, where regular chapters only send out I believe 5 companies or so. The other companies are used as replacements. Bad thing is our companies are usually never fully stocked, but that also depends on what the size of the companies are, which nobody can decide on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1919834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanaellars Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 The Wolf Scouts are also mentioned as such, but the information doesn't seem to jive with the current description of Wolf Scouts as they are mentioned as "new recruits." Bad bad BAD wolf! That is Ultramarines and such. They use recruits to scout. Our recruits are sent out first, to charge into the enemy and headlong tear them limb from limb. The Wolf Scouts are an elite group, older and more experenced wolves who for whatever reason did not fit in with thier packs. "Lone Wolves" who choose or are chosen to take on the more solitary life of scout, on the fringes of the pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1919903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 The Wolf Scouts are also mentioned as such, but the information doesn't seem to jive with the current description of Wolf Scouts as they are mentioned as "new recruits." Bad bad BAD wolf! That is Ultramarines and such. They use recruits to scout. Our recruits are sent out first, to charge into the enemy and headlong tear them limb from limb. The Wolf Scouts are an elite group, older and more experenced wolves who for whatever reason did not fit in with thier packs. "Lone Wolves" who choose or are chosen to take on the more solitary life of scout, on the fringes of the pack. That's only from 3rd edition onwards. In 2nd edition Wolf Scouts were initiates, just like the Codex chapters... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1919923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantyr Greymantle Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 is someone still playing second edition codex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1919969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Well, vortex grenades have made a come-back... maybe GW will return to the beginning...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1920009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 To answer your question fully no there is nothing that fully lays out what is in a Great Company and it seems to vary from one Company to the next. Ragnar's Great Company for instance appears to have a higher proportion of Blood Claws and utilises Drop Pod Assaults more often than others. Each Great Company has a mix of Wolf Guard, Long Fangs, Grey Hunters and Blood Claws, their own tanks and weaponry, their own suits of Terminator Armor even but there is no solid structure as to how many of each unit or weapon are employed by any given Great Company. Additionally the Great Wolf commands the Night Runners Great Company and the Company of the Great Wolf, the former being just like other Great Companies but commanded by Grimnar himself, and the Company of the Great Wolf is made up of all the Priests, Scouts, Thralls, Serfs, Dreadnaughts etc, that are deployed as the Great Wolf sees fit to aid the other Great Companies or campaigns. The only generaly known structural aspects are that Grey Hunters should be the most numerous of all the various Packs, and Wolf Guard will generally never number more than 20 per Great Company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1921033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 is someone still playing second edition codex? I've heard that yes, there actually is :-D But anyway, I was just pointing out that AnarchX was in a sense right about Scouts being the pups because that's how it was in the codex he was looking at. So no need for kanaellars to call him a bad bad wolf :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1921087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnarchX Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 I hope the new Space Wolves Codex is more like the old 2nd edition one in the form of having more fluff and background information. If not, we (the collective Space Wolves players) should create a wiki or some sort of living document with this sort of information and cite where the information was gleaned from. It seems I am always hungering for more information on the Wolves and I don't know where else to look, other than to pester you good people. Anyway, those are my random thoughts for the day. Someone hand me an ale... Thanks, AnarchX Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1923104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I thought Scouts were an integral part of each Great Company. With regards to my Company composition I have given it below but make it how you want without it being too beardy 1 Wolf Lord (Fenrir Wulfheart uses Blackmane's profile) 7 Close combat terminator bodyguard Rune Priest (Awesome new model) Ulrik Ven Dread 6 Wolf Guard Battle Leaders (1 Terminator) 4 Standard terminators 45 Grey Hunters 20 Blood CLaws 2-3 Land Speeders 10 Long Fangs 10 Scouts 10 Jump pack/bike blood claws Thats roughly my composition Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1923127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I hope the new Space Wolves Codex is more like the old 2nd edition one in the form of having more fluff and background information. If not, we (the collective Space Wolves players) should create a wiki or some sort of living document with this sort of information and cite where the information was gleaned from. It seems I am always hungering for more information on the Wolves and I don't know where else to look, other than to pester you good people. ;) Your search-fu is weak young one, check out the Space Wolves: A Comprehensive History. I thought Scouts were an integral part of each Great Company. With regards to my Company composition I have given it below but make it how you want without it being too beardy Hmm looking again you may be right the Codex doesn't say that Wolf Scouts are also part of the Great Wolf's Company... hmm gonna have to double check that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1923279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnarchX Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 According to Lexicanum: Wolf Scouts are Space Wolves whose entire pack has been lost or that have left their pack for other reasons. They operate as Scouts do in a codex chapter, however they are trained to work alone behind enemy lines for long periods of time. Space Wolf Scouts are not assigned to any of the Great Companies. They instead answer directly to the Great Wolf and are under his sole command unless assigned to a Wolf Lord and his company on an as needed basis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1923445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Lexicanum isn't trustworthy, as a Wikipedia anyone can edit the info regardless of whether they're correct or not. I've double checked both the Codex and the SW Index Astartes and there's nothing in there that says the Scouts are part of the Great Wolf's Company or are sole survivors of their previous pack. I coulda sworn there was something to that extent but I guess not. Gonna have to keep snooping, this is most vexing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1923467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Lexicanum isn't trustworthy, as a Wikipedia anyone can edit the info regardless of whether they're correct or not. I've double checked both the Codex and the SW Index Astartes and there's nothing in there that says the Scouts are part of the Great Wolf's Company ..... I agree with you about Lexicanum. For the scouts and the Great Wolf´s GC i can give you a source: 2nd Ed. C:SW p.11, the diagram about the chapter organization. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1923476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Still it seems that material has been retconned with both the 3rd Ed. C:SW and the IA:SW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1923510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fang Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Back page (p33) of current codex lists all of the forces Logan commands. Scouts aren't on the list.. page 32 (Summary of) - Scouts units are elite units that range ahead and are composed of Wolves that didn't 'fit in' in their original packs. They are said to be touched by Lokyar, the great lone wolf of Fenrisian legend. Long Fang Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163318-great-company-structure/#findComment-1923553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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