Bran Scalphunter Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Well, this Saturday, while playing WFB against my friend, who I shall call Fossil, he came up with a rather intriguing theory as to what happened to Leman Russ. Those of you that are familiar with the Empire of Warhammer Fantasy should know of Middenheim, the center of the Cult of Ulric. According to Fossil, the "god" known as Ulric is actually Russ after coming to WFB via the Eye of Terror/Tzeentch. Think about it, Ulric and the Middenheimers have both been described as stubborn, ferocious, and very Wolf-centric in the fluff. So, here's where my thoughts come in. Last we know, Russ left with his bodyguard for the Eye of Terror, reputedly searching for the Tree of Life with which to heal the stricken Emperor. Is it not possible that once in the Eye of Terror the Wolf and his guard were cast through time to the northern Empire and Middenheim? In the past such similar happenings have occurred, with the Shadows over Albion Campaign and the 40k influences. As Fossil stated, Chaos could take a unit of Chaos Marines and there were bolters/chainswords/other 40k technology in there, so I don't doubt Tzeentch tossing them through the Eye, possibly to prevent Russ from reaching the fabled Tree of Life? Just in case another of these "40k/Fantasy" crossover examples is neccesary, the Great Maw of the Ogres is almost blatantly a crashed Tyranid Hive Ship and the "black carapace, razor-limbed insects" are the remnants of the Tyranids on the WFB world. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 not sure, Russ and his bodyguard would be capable to destroy whole armies of fantasy warriors Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1919627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Interesting idea, but I gotta agree with hendrik here. Russ alone could probably take on most WFB armies single handedly, even when he runs out of ammo... Although there's nothing to say he didn't disappear again and the memory of him caused the cult of Ulric to rise... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1919644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 Maybe Russ' bodyguard didn't survive the transport to the WFB world (Daemon, Dragon, Morghur) and only Leman himself made it to the fledgling Middenheimers. Sore wounded by the encounter, Russ recuperated there, becoming known as Ulric. Eventually after he healed, he left for the North and the Chaos Wastes, where he does battle with a never ending horde of Chaos followers. This is all speculation, but it seems pretty plausible to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1919671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 i think it is a good theory. i thought things like that were just to make the story lines seem similar. though i could see it working the way you have it. and the leader of the Cult of Ulric is supposed to be able to take on some of the strongest Chaos warriors out there, but he isn't the greatest, which makes it seem more likely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1919677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ra1stl1n Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Also if i recall correctly a Great Hunt at some point recovered Russ' armour,don't remember about mjalnar but without his armour i'd say russ would be a superwarrior in WFB but still not something that just popped up from outer space. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1919695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Ermmm... Nah. Sorry guys, but WHFB and 40K are two very seperate games and very different worlds. The only overlap is with the Chaos Gods being the same in both. There is some evidence (particularly in the old Realms of Chaos books) that WHFB was a world in 40K, but that's long since been retconned out. There might be some superficial design similarites, but thats all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1919757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 There might be some superficial design similarites, but thats all. that's basically what i have always thought, one idea works well in one and make a version to fit the other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1919772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAVAAR Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 While there are many things that seemingly overlap systems, they are two separate universes and systems. The overlap is coincidence that happens as a result of many of the same people embellishing or twisting plots to transfer a "good idea" into other realms that might fit them (ie system to system). This is also where the theory, for those who haven't seen the forums for this as well, that Sigmar was one of the two Lost Primarchs that remain unnamed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1920014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Yep, it's absolute fact. The universes are completely separate. Oh wait. Liber Chaotica and the Albion thing were pretty recent and seem to disagree with that proposition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1920124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 yeah, lizardmen have a lasgun as a magic artifact and webway gates. There are other things... crossovers between the highelves and the eldar, etc. Some of its more hidden then others, but its all there. My favorite is that the old ones accidently brought orks to the planet, and then found that they could not exterminate them no matter what they did.... and so they plauge the world to this day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1920310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Hengist Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I actually like Brans theory, we once ran a WFRP game where we played a group of guardsmen from an explorer vessel that is forced to land on a un charted feral planet. When we finally landed we found ourselves in what is known as the Old World. We activated our rescue beacon and cause havoc amongst the locals for a few days before we are eventually found by a Space Marine Captain called "Sigmar". Hehad put himself in stasis two thousand years ago after being stranded when his landing craft was too badly damaged entering the planets atmosphere (twin tailed comet anyone). As the only survivor he spent a few years exploring the planet and ended up assisting the native humans against an Ork waagh with his "Thunder hammer". Once satisfied it was safe to enter stasis he awaited rescue from his chapter etc. I'm pretty sure the story could fit with the Russ being Ulric theory quite easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1920407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Personaly I think he is streaking through the eye of terror. With a keg under one arm and his sword in the other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1921702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 All of this is old news, lots of people seemed to think Sigmar was one of the missing Primarchs or something. Unfortunately according to Games Workshop the two universes are completely seperate and they retconned away most of the links. Some still exist and the Shadows of Albion seemed to be an attempt to introduce 40k gamers to fantasy and fantasy to 40k but otherwise doesn't seem to have seriously done anything to add to the fluff or retcon the retcon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1921936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanaellars Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Ermmm... Nah. Sorry guys, but WHFB and 40K are two very seperate games and very different worlds. The only overlap is with the Chaos Gods being the same in both. There is some evidence (particularly in the old Realms of Chaos books) that WHFB was a world in 40K, but that's long since been retconned out. There might be some superficial design similarites, but thats all. Exactly. That was a later change. In the original fluff, the WFB world was part of the 40k universe, but had somehow been "isolated" from the rest of it, either (depending on where you read) as an experiment or to protect it from the outside influences. Personally though I always liked my own invented story. My old gaming group used to play Warhammer as a pen and paper RPG, and in our house rules WFB was the distant DISTANT past of 40k. Basically it was the world that all of it started on. As time moved on the elves (eldar) left the world (thus becoming the first empire in 40k), and then the dwarves saw the riches of the eldar and followed (squats). The orks stowed away and managed to follow (Orkz) and then the Empire / Bretonnians conqured the rest of the monsters (Imperium) but not before the chaos gods had made thier escape into the stars as well (Chaos). That was just our own made up idea, but it was fun to mess with! I have personally always liked the idea. Ulric is a character very easy to see a primarch in. The same could be said of Sigmar. And if you look closely those arn't the only ones either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1922392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Ahh but WFB was out before Warhammer 40k... and thus Ive somewhat seen 40k as a progression of WFB. The way I figured it was the races you see in WFB are the races the old ones made... humans, eldar, orks, dwarves *though this is finicky as the squads were mutated humans IIRC* and slaan. Back when the necron/old one wars were going on the old ones were being beaten and didnt have the resources to fix the gate... and thus it broke and their "control group" was lost. But thats just me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1922805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fang Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Eventually after he healed, he left for the North and the Chaos Wastes, where he does battle with a never ending horde of Chaos followers. Alongside the White Dwarf, well when they're not drinking ale that is. ;) Long Fang Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1923314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 Wait, the 30th Anniversary White Dwarf or normal White Dwarf? If it's the XXXthWD, you forgot Bugman and Gortek. Heh, just imagine the carnage being raised by Russ after loading up on Bugman's Best.... :jaw: ;) :jaw: At that rate, Chaos will be dead by early next week. On a unrelated note: Woohooo! 1000th post here in the B&C! I call a feast! To the feasting halls my Wolves! *charges off to the Feasting hall, where I prepare a toast* To all my Wolf Brothers here, I offer up this toast to you all, especially to the Moderati and Administratum for keeping such a nice site going! To Argos and the Emperor! And to you my brethren, for putting up with me for a thousand posts. Hopefully there will be many thousands more to come! ;) *drains ale* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1924543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fang Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 *Long Fang gets Bran a cold stein of Bugmans best* Gratz on 1000 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1924796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ra1stl1n Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 When the Warhammer world was still a wasteland, cold, dark and windswept, the Old Ones came. Rulers of an empire that spanned the stars, the Old Ones were engineer-mystics who travelled through the vast distances of space on stellar star ships, and via a network of gateways that linked every world in their civilisation. The Old Ones saw boundless potential in the Warhammer world, and so they decreed that it should be drawn into their unknowable plans, the landscape and climate of the world remoulded and altered to better suit their designs. Found that one in GW's lizardmen article... what we're saying isnt too far fetched,maybe :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163330-a-theory-on-russ/#findComment-1926846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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