aranian Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 They are a whopping 60 points more expensive for WS+1, BS+1 and the reroll. It seems fairly weak, considering the Ironclad has different weapon options, stronger armor and some automatic upgrades. For 30 (?) points... So, does anyone use them anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I use them when I have some extra points. Always podded, and always with multimelta/DCCW, or twin-linked heavy flamer and DCCW with heavy flamer. The rux of these guys, I find, is to know when you should force the reroll. I typically only force a reroill when I take the 4+ damage effect. A Ven Dread without its "main" gun is still close combat threat. A Ven Dread without its DCCW is still a major tarpit for most units. Others always say "no way" to Venerables. I like the options they give me, and the chance to make my opponent roll more dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiserstole20 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I usually go with normal dreadnoughts. I've tried Venerable a few times and it's usually worth the extra points if I have them to spare - unfortunately I rarely have them to spare! I run 2 dreads and the Venerable upgrade cost on the 2 of them is about the same number of points as a Vindicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I just can't aford the extra points for a Venerable Dreadnought, which is a shame, considering how awesome they can be. If anyone has any lists or tips to using them, just let us know as I want to convince myself the extra 60pts is worth it. Incidently, Space Wolf Venerable Dreadnoughts are about 20pts cheaper, have an extra attack and gives the army a re-roll when rolling to see who goes first. So work that one out eh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer light bearer Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I love venerable dreadnoughts. The main reason is if you drop pod a standard dread or even 2 of them in on you enemies line you can expect them to die before they get in hand to hand. Venerable dreads are much more likely to be able to take the hits, even from melta weapons. The 60 points is rough and so I rarely take more then 1, but the effect that has is more then you might think. If you drop pod 1 venerable and 1 standard dread you'd be shocked how many people try to shoot down the venerable first. It's a huge waste of fire because it's only slightly more likely to do damage, but much harder to kill, it makes all your dreads more survivable if your enemy tries to shoot it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Yeah I thought a lone Venerable Dreadnought would be a waste of points but in an army of multiple armoured units it becomes better value for money. I would gladly take a Venerable Dreadnought in a Master of the Forge Dreadnought army (that I am thinking of building, since I already have 2 Assault Cannon Dreadnoughts and a Venerable with twin linked Dreadnought - just want 2 Iron clads and I'm sorted!). Nice tip their mate. Oh, in 4th edition, my Venerable's always performed well and that was without the WS/BS increase, so maybe I should roll mine out again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevianID Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I really like the ven. dread with multimelta and heavy flamer. BS 5 is not wasted on the multimelta like it is with TLLC, and with a drop pod you are good to go. While Ironclads are all the rage these days, the Ven. is better versus the things that kill ironclads (melta guns). Also, the extra range on the multimelta mean that you are not forced to get close to the enemy like you are with the ironclad, so against things like the eldar brightlance waveserpant spam lists, where the melta extra d6 is worthless, the venerables extra range comes into its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockdeity Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I have never tried it, but on paper I like ven dreads when mixed evenly with ironclad dreads with MotF. Ideally 3 ven dreads and 3 ironclad. The reasoning behind it is, most things can't touch the 13 front armor of the dread, and those that can (lances, lascans, melta etc.) are not nearly as effective against the ven dread because there are generally only one or two shots and you can make them reroll the damage table. This lets you screen the ironclades with the vens against those things, and charge into everything else (anything except monsters, really) with the ironclad. Also, I think plascan or melta is the best choice for primary weapon on ven dreads if you use them for this purpose. plascans are cheap when on a dread and don't get hot and they barely scatter with BS 5. meltas are good at busting armor and the BS5 can overcome half of the melta curse (rolling 2's when you really need to hit). Ironically, I think this makes hellfire dreadnoughts (two long range weapons) better aimed at ven dreads than normal dreads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolf_nr Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Venerable is totally worth it if you have the points to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM THE AWESOME Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Yeah I thought a lone Venerable Dreadnought would be a waste of points but in an army of multiple armoured units it becomes better value for money. I would gladly take a Venerable Dreadnought in a Master of the Forge Dreadnought army (that I am thinking of building, since I already have 2 Assault Cannon Dreadnoughts and a Venerable with twin linked Dreadnought - just want 2 Iron clads and I'm sorted!). Nice tip their mate. Oh, in 4th edition, my Venerable's always performed well and that was without the WS/BS increase, so maybe I should roll mine out again... That, sir, is one seriously awesome weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosLord Leon Enaek Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 When he has the points to spare, my friend ups his Dread to Ven, and those games, I lose! :P Oh, and I AM THE AWESOME, play nice. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Just imagine a Venerable Dreadnought swinging 2 slightly smaller Dreads around as a weapon! :yes: Of course, I meant twin linked Lascannon. When he has the points to spare, my friend ups his Dread to Ven, and those games, I lose! That is reassuring, I definitely have to have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosLord Leon Enaek Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Two smaller dreads as weapons eh? TO HOMEGROWN RULES! ...Or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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