Chaplain Kharn Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 a matter of interest those aren't the first two codexes i've considered would blood angels be viable honestly blood crazed death company close combat marines(with or without jump packs) as troops furisio dreads with 7 attacks on charge wadda ya think? would it make more sense than using the dark angel codex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1922291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfBitten Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Well, I guess the BA one in some ways could work. Assault squads without jump packs as Blood Claws, tacticals as Hunters....but the BEST thing here, is that if you could dig up the models, Death Company rules make pretty awesome Wulfen.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1922315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
barek Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 but anyway back to the point :) would it be plausable if i did collect space wolves to use dark angel codex for them? Sure! I can remember a very old White Dwarf in which was a pic from a Space Wolf Terminator army which used Death Wing rules. Also: remember the 'count as' rule? Edit: For the fluff hearted: what is the best way to let a Wolf do something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1922320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 a matter of interest those aren't the first two codexes i've considered would blood angels be viable honestly blood crazed death company close combat marines(with or without jump packs) as troops furisio dreads with 7 attacks on charge wadda ya think? would it make more sense than using the dark angel codex? Maybe but not really. The biggest strength of Blood Angels is Jump Packs which the Space Wolves find disdainfull. The Death Company might be good to represent Wulfen but really it's a strange fit at best. If you really want to do Space Wolves nothing beats just using the Space Wolves codex. It works, it's competetive and viable even after all this time and you just can't get those awesome wolfy rules and units anywhere else. No other Codexies can match the wargear options or rules of the Space Wolves. What other Codex can provide 16 men strong power armored Troops choices that get 4 attacks each on the charge and access to no less than 4 Power Weapons/Fists, or Heavy Support troops that can split their fire at seperate targets, or whose Terminators can take Drop Pods, whose HQs can always hit on 3's regardless of opponents weapon skill, HQ Dreadnaughts and so on and so forth. Yes other armies get cool things but those things are theirs and to represent their character not the Character of Space Wolves. You can't really do justice in representing a Blood Angels army with the Space Wolf Codex and likewise you can't do justice in representing the Space Wolves with the Blood Angels Codex or the Dark Angels or the Ultra... *cough* I mean vanilla Codex. Each has unique aspects to that army that aren't present in the others and particularly with the Space Wolves while our codex is old and outdated it's powerfull and unique. I've played marine armies with all the other codexies and still find the Space Wolves to be the most characterfull and fun of the Marine Codexies and coupled with the fluff there's no beating it IMO. If you want to use the Blood Angels rules, play Blood Angels, if you want to use the Dark Angels rules, play Dark Angels, if you want to play the Space Wolves, nothing beats just using the Space Wolves Codex. Maybe it's just me but I see no advantage or overly compelling reason to use any other Codex than Codex: Space Wolves to play Space Wolves. Nothing stopping you doing multiple armies over time either with different rules sets. I've got 6 different Marine armies now each one working differently. For the fluff hearted: what is the best way to let a Wolf do something? Can't stop anyone doing what they want but if you want to be a Wolf I can't see a reason to do it halfway, either your a Wolf at heart or your not. A Blood Angel with a pelt on isn't a Wolf, nor is a Grey Dark Angel a Wolf. I mean using pure Deathwing as a "counts as" Hulk raiding party or something similar is one thing, but basing a regular army off of another Codex just doesn't make for fluffy Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1922347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Doesnt IMHO make for an anything. On the other hand the guy will do what he wants. I do urge that if you *the OP* like SWs that you use C:SW to represent them. C:BA might be able to do the job, but as noted it wouldnt be the same. For one youd miss out on alot of CC goodness, for another youd miss out on the revolving door of equipment. But really I just want to ask: why wouldnt you want to use C:SW. Maybe if you answer that we could give a better answer, all the play-acting aside. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1922390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 now i do not know a single of the s wolves special rules or stats ect Besides bad spelling...you post this and want to use DA? Leave now. Never return. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
barek Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Leave now. Never return. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Kharn Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 to be honest everyone is starting to (or trying to) put me of space wolves after all it was only a question Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfBitten Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Ignore the hostility....I don't understand it myself. People do tend to forget its a GAME at times. Play the way that you would find most enjoyable. If you like the SW fluff, but want to use them as a more Codex army, then do it, and laugh in the face of anybody that says you're doing it "wrong". The only way you can do it wrong is if you aren't having fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
barek Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 to be honest everyone is starting to (or trying to) put me of space wolves after all it was only a question I agree and I'm sorry. We Wolves normally do honour our guests. Some of these remarks are truly disappointing, most are of the role playing kind. Edit: added nuance Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 HA! I laugh in the face of this "angels" lover. HA I SAY HA!! Good day sir. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Kharn Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 dark nagel lover eh because i have Never used the dark angel codex before Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 *sigh* A new player who posts in this forum needs to be told that, of all the 40k players (except maybe Orks), SW players are the most boisterous and often enjoy in character jibes at their faction's enemies and rivals. I hope that lunchb0x's comments are made in character and not as actual, hurtful attacks, though they may be construed as such. One would hope that, if this misunderstanding can be forgiven, the OP could be indoctrinated to our community and, civilly and respectfully, shown why we SW "diehards" bristle at the thought of our greatest rivals being used to represent our noble warriors on the table. Curb our zealotry, that the uninitiated be taught the ways of Wolf's honor. As regards spelling and grammar, the OP may not have English as his/her primary language, though, if it is I would exhort them to improve their attention to its rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 to be honest everyone is starting to (or trying to) put me of space wolves after all it was only a question To be honest that shouldn't be surprising. You've not taken the time to research and read up on the Space Wolves rules, then ask if it would be ok to use another Codex that is nothing alike to represent the army without much in the way of explenation for why you want to do that or what you hope to achieve going that route, not to mention better grammar would likely help get your point across better. I said it before, I'll say it again if you want to use the Blood Angels Codex, play Blood Angels, if you want to use the Dark Angels Codex, play Dark Angels. The Fang is a friendly and welcoming place as we all share a love and enthusiasm for the Space Wolves and share both the pros and the cons that come with doing so. No other Codex accurately represents the Wolves or allows for an army that can be played like the Wolves can and the SW Codex still works very well even after all this time, I at least don't see any reason to use another Codex, none of the special units or abilities the other Marine Codexies offer even begin to outweigh the unique character and abilities of the Wolves like I outlined shortly in my last post. It's sort of like the recent "are space wolves heretics" or "are space wolves mutants" questions, honest questions yes but somewhat disrespectfull and it's no surprise they got some hostility. Are you really so surprised that some Wolves are hostile after you come to the Fang to ask if it's ok to use the rules of those dress wearing sissy Dark Angels to represent the mighty Sons of Russ? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
barek Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Mr Ryuzouken: spoken very well !! Mr Vash: Are you really so surprised that some Wolves are hostile after you come to the Fang to ask if it's ok to use the rules of those dress wearing sissy Dark Angels to represent the mighty Sons of Russ? ;) ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 i personally feel (and hope) most of the "angry" posts were made in joking whys, i know mine was. i am with Grey Mage here in that i feel that if you want to play SW, you should play with the C:SW. but if you really don't want to use it i would say do what you want. all i could offer in and way of what i could suggest to you would be that you tell your opponent "how" you are playing your army. people around here, at least, always ask me what my army is because i don't have them painted the "normal space wolf colors". that's the closest thing i have seen when it comes to something like what you want to do, just make sure people know you are using C:DA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I think there should be an popup or something like that, that opens as soon as someone click on the link to the Fang. Some kind of warning about our (sometimes rough) humor. So that new pups are not frightened by posts like mine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Kharn Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 i think i will buy the codex especially since its free and all and see whats what Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
barek Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 It cant hurt right? After all... free is free. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantyr Greymantle Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 yeah, and when you read it you might see why all of us love playing Space Wolves I guess I might have been clear in my earlier post. But I really didn't understand the dilemma - If you want to play Dark Angel rules and just want to use Space Wolf models cause they look so much cooler than the rest, then I think we'd all agree with your reason for wanting to use wolf models, but I think that once you read the codex you just might find the call of the Wulfen too hard to ignore Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I say you could use DA rules for your SW, I'v seen Deathwing SW armys all over, Its the only way too get those dreads and TDA's on the table, and a wolf lord could prefer the long range over the hand to hand, why not. And as for getting negative responses, It was to be expected, SW and DA dont mix, but i'm sure everyone here means it in a friendly and fun way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Remember the "golden rule" of army planning: If you like it, do it. WYSIWYG matters, but Counts As rules all. In fact, I've been considering using the new marine codex only and using my wolves as counts as. It'd mean my Blood Claws would become Fast Attack Assault Marines with a "free" rhino among other things, but ultimately, as long as I'm consistent about it during games and make sure my opponent isn't confused, all is well and legal. The ABSOLUTE best advice, compare the DA codex with the SW codex so that when you buy your army, you don't end up with units you can't use as SW, then play a game or three with whichever ruleset you choose and find what works best with you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 My personal take on this is it is your army use the rules as you see fit. I would say SW rules still are good, but if you want a twist on the flavor of the army I have no problem with it. Heck, if you really want to raise the eyebrows of a DA player use their rules and make the army look meaner/better as we know we wolves do ;) I must stay I'm dismayed at some of the negative responses. We should be mindful of taking this stuff too personal and staying too much in character. Some of the responses are just not helpful at all and I'd rather see no post v/s a negative post. One could even twist it and say "hey the wolves would really add more style to the DA/BA,,,etc... rules" v/s limiting anyone's creativity. We really should be more helpful then some of the posts in this thread suggest. :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Hmm. The time for recriminations are past, methinks. Let's drop the matter and focus on providing assistance to the OP, should they require any. Lest we generate *another* brawl that results in needing new tables... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163434-space-wolves-with-dark-angel-codex/page/2/#findComment-1923940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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