13thWarrior Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I found it interesting that Ragnar BlackMane was the only model to come packaged with a Fenris Wolf, but I don't see in the current (read current in 2003 is current today) Space Wolf Codex where Lord Ragnar can take Fenris Wolves as add-ons. Am I wrong? Can this Wolf Lord take wolves or is he prohibitted? Comments? == REDACTED - JUVENILE & NONCONSTRUCTIVE ==? Advice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 As far as I read the Codex, for some strange reason, my venerated Wolf Lord Rangar Blackmane cannot take Fenris Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 well same for logan grimnar >< BUT WAIT ! when we use Grimnar / Ragnar , in the special character heading it says " THEY COUNT AS A WOLF LORD in your army" , so in the Wolf lord entry you can bring wolves , make any sense ? The Special character collums only say you cant give them extra wargear , didnt say you cant give them extra Retinues lol but yeah its a big loop hole when the people who wrote the Codex.........>< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
13thWarrior Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 If so ... how much would they be? 10 points or 12 points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrolleif Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Fenrisian wolves are 12 pts a piece. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
13thWarrior Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 So I am liking the idea of Ragnar and 10 Grey Hunters (mainly because I have the extrememely cool BlackMane GreyHunter Shoulder Pads) in a Land Raider (or Crusader) with Fenris Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 humm , what i think is , bring ragnar and 4 wolves then 10 grey hunters with bolt pistol and CC , then attached a Ruin priest to the whole squad to the land raider crusader so what you do is : Disembark from LRC / Shoot bolt pistol from every one except ruin priest , ruin priest uses storm caller (attack first in CC) , assault with everyone ! PS: reminder that Grey hinters get the berserker charge from ragnar if they are armed with CC / bolt pistol ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 well same for logan grimnar >< BUT WAIT ! when we use Grimnar / Ragnar , in the special character heading it says " THEY COUNT AS A WOLF LORD in your army" , so in the Wolf lord entry you can bring wolves , make any sense ? The Special character collums only say you cant give them extra wargear , didnt say you cant give them extra Retinues lol but yeah its a big loop hole when the people who wrote the Codex.........>< It doesn't say they can, therefore they can't... :-/ They count as Wolf Lords for the 0-1 for the Wolf Lord entry. See? No loop hole at all... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 i do not recall ragnar ever coming packaged with wolves, are you thinking of the old Russ model? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 As LP said, what you can and cannot take for Rangar/Ulrik/Grimnar are on their profile pages. If they don't have Wolves in the profile then you cannot take them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sköll Khan Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 humm , what i think is , bring ragnar and 4 wolves then 10 grey hunters with bolt pistol and CC , then attached a Ruin priest to the whole squad to the land raider crusader so what you do is : Disembark from LRC / Shoot bolt pistol from every one except ruin priest , ruin priest uses storm caller (attack first in CC) , assault with everyone ! PS: reminder that Grey hinters get the berserker charge from ragnar if they are armed with CC / bolt pistol ! Can Wolves use transports?, its unclear whether they count as "cavalry", with the 13th list they use some "cavalry" rules. You know how Tank drivers hate to have to clean up wolf hairs after a long day at war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Can Wolves use transports?, its unclear whether they count as "cavalry", with the 13th list they use some "cavalry" rules. If it doesn't say they're cavalry, they're not. In any case, it says in C:SW under special rules that Fenrisian Wolves can use transports. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Guys, all this information is covered in the Space Wolf Codex. Please read it, we don't mind answering questions but these obvious ones are easily solved by reading the Codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanaellars Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 PS: reminder that Grey hinters get the berserker charge from ragnar if they are armed with CC / bolt pistol ! They get it anyway. TRUE GRIT means a bolter is the same as a BP to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Not fully, if you read the True Grit rule Bolters act as Bolt Pistols on the counter-attack, not always (and not as shooting obviously). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 If they have bolters theyll get one fewer attack on the charge than if they had a BP+CCW because you cant use true grit on the turn you charge... bolter is just to heavy for that kind of thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1921942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacsoy Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 So I am liking the idea of Ragnar and 10 Grey Hunters (mainly because I have the extrememely cool BlackMane GreyHunter Shoulder Pads) in a Land Raider (or Crusader) with Fenris Wolves. I'm sorry, but an IC with a retinue can't join a unit. As the land raider is not a dedicated transport, I'm not sure if the two units could 'share' it, but a Wolf Lord and his retinue would be a separate unit from the Grey Hunters for all intents and pourposes. If the WL was on his own though, it would be a completely different matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1922016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 How can't an IC with a retinue join a unit? There is nothing stating that an IC with a retinue can't join a unit, such as Grey Hunters. The IC and retinue would act as part of that unit until the IC leaves the unit it joined then the retinue would go with the IC....unless I am wrong.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1922033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacsoy Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 While an IC has a retinue he counts as an upgrade character for that unit. It is not until his retinue is dead that he counts as an independent character again. There is a small section in the IC rules in the BRB. I was dismayed when I read it too... I loved my wolf priest & two fenrisian wolves foining my blood claws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1922036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 While an IC has a retinue he counts as an upgrade character for that unit. It is not until his retinue is dead that he counts as an independent character again. There is a small section in the IC rules in the BRB. I was dismayed when I read it too... I loved my wolf priest & two fenrisian wolves foining my blood claws. The rules for Fenrisian Wolves state that a Space Wolf IC with Fenrisian Wolves can join a unit. It's the page with special rules, 3rd column, 2nd paragraph ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1922046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacsoy Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The rules for Fenrisian Wolves state that a Space Wolf IC with Fenrisian Wolves can join a unit. It's the page with special rules, 3rd column, 2nd paragraph ;-) You are right! I apologize for the confusion. It never occurred to me to look in the codex again :sweat: Now you've made my day... my blood claws just got two ablative wounds more and 6 attacks more on the charge! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1922057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Its alot like tau crisis suits and their drones. A tau commander can still join squads even though his two drones make up a squad with all the retinue rules attached. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1922381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
13thWarrior Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 i do not recall ragnar ever coming packaged with wolves, are you thinking of the old Russ model? Nope ... I still have Ragnar packaged with the Fenris Wolf! Tho Russ came with two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1924494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
13thWarrior Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 It is questions like this that I really want to see fixed in the new Codex. Why would Ragnar and Logan be the only two Wolf Lords without Fenris Wolves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1929194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 because some times players are smarter or more careful when we deal with out hobbies / favorite armies VS someone not that bright that only sees this as a "job" , or worst : he / she hates the army while working fro GW lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163462-ragnar-blackmane/#findComment-1929235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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