kanaellars Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Something that has always bugged me. Pre-heresy, the Wolves were grey, kindof a codex grey, with red markings and highlights. Post-heresy, the Wolves are kindof blue-grey, with red and yellow markings. I know this. Most of us accept this. But has it ever actually been said... why? Was there a specific reason for the change? I have never actually read one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 If I recall the change in grey was due to painter mistake but markings haven't really ever changed. They always have and still are a mix between red, black, yellow and white depending on the Pack Type. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1921922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Wolf Master Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 speaking of which, why is the imperial guard battle tank named after our primarch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 speaking of which, why is the imperial guard battle tank named after our primarch? As I recall in the origional fluff Leman Russ was an Imperial Guard commander and developed the Leman Russ Battletank personally in a particular campaign by piecing it together from other vehicles and equipment. Of course much has changed in the fluff but the names remain the same. *shrug* I guess in a more modern sense you could suppose that Leman Russ found the STC for the Leman Russ tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The Great GW machine wanted to sell more paint......DUH?!?!?! Just paint them the way you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Actually, I think the tank is named after our Primarch because during the Horus Heresy, Russ stopped on the way to Terra with the Lion in order to save several forge worlds under attack. This he did because he had to foresight to understand the value of the weaponry and armor they could forge in the dark days of the Heresy. Because of Russ' intervention, the AM named the new tank after him. At least that's the version I've read several times before. I may be wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Actually, I think the tank is named after our Primarch because during the Horus Heresy, Russ stopped on the way to Terra with the Lion in order to save several forge worlds under attack. This he did because he had to foresight to understand the value of the weaponry and armor they could forge in the dark days of the Heresy. Because of Russ' intervention, the AM named the new tank after him. At least that's the version I've read several times before. I may be wrong. this is the one i have seen too, it was another thing that led to the rivalry between the DA and the SW, lion blamed russ for the emperor's fate (IIRC). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanaellars Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Yea, I have always loved the story of Russ and the tank, thought it added character that they named the tank after him, and we are the only marines to use it becuase of his name. As for the colour, I know that the "Actual" reason was that a Heavy Metal painter messed up, but I was wondering if they ever backed up the change with fluff. I know a couple of the chapters changed thier colours as a tribute, or a warning, or as a mourning, etc. I didnt know if anything had been come up with for the wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keercrevlis Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Probably will change again with the addition of Fenris Grey Foundation and not being able to buy SW Grey in spray can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Probably will change again with the addition of Fenris Grey Foundation and not being able to buy SW Grey in spray can. I doubt it, there doesn't seem to be an established Grey currently, any blue grey works fine, it used to be a more dark grey but now different painters do different shades of blue grey while some favor the much lighter color others use a darker palet but all seem equally valid and accepted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battle Brother Loken Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 i do the pre heresy colors Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 i do the pre heresy colors as do i brother Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalodon Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 i do the pre heresy colors as do i brother Thirded! ;) My Wolves have been grey since RT and will stay that way. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Maybe its part of the idea that wolf lords can customize much of their forces to their likings.... armor color is a relatively minor thing so as long as its a grey/icy color they can go with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Mine are shadow gray, in the index astartes they have a change in color pre and past heresy, but i cant recall if it says why Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanaellars Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 I dont know if it ever officially said, but could it be a mourning colour? Thier brothers rebeled. They killed (lots of) thier brothers. Thier father (Russ) has gone missing. Thier grandfather (The Emperor) is a sitting corpse. The 13th Company are AWOL. I could justify darkening your armor to show mourning. Of course, some might darken it more or less than others, depending on how devout they are. Does that make any sense? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 1 and 2 no the rest yeah Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanaellars Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Why not 1 and 2 Max? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ra1stl1n Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 1 and 2 no the rest yeah He means the brother astartes not part of the space wolves... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1922982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Ok than it could be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1923096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 A mourning color that's lighter than the previous? Black is a fairly universal mourning color and Dorn changed his armor to black after the Siege of the Imeperial Palace and the fall of the Emperor, seems rather counter-intuitive that a mourning color would be lighter than the previous color scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1923296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Pre-heresy, the Wolves were grey, kindof a codex grey, with red markings and highlights. Post-heresy, the Wolves are kindof blue-grey, with red and yellow markings. As others have already pointed out, the color of grey on Space Wolves has nothing to do with pre/post heresy, but rather how one of the 'eavy metal painters chose to paint his Wolves many, many years ago. There is no in-game explanation. The new color and style caught on, and that is that. speaking of which, why is the imperial guard battle tank named after our primarch? As I recall in the origional fluff Leman Russ was an Imperial Guard commander and developed the Leman Russ Battletank personally in a particular campaign by piecing it together from other vehicles and equipment. Of course much has changed in the fluff but the names remain the same. *shrug* Actually, Leman Russ was originally a "Marine Commander" of the Space Wolves, not an Imperial Guard Commander. There is a one-pager about him, with a picture, in the original Rogue Trader rulebook (page 27). In it, Leman Russ was "Born 2612016, M32, Guranta D Gurantan system. Commissioned Adeptus Terra as a special agent 0134041, M32. First rose to imperial notice during Lucan Crusade. Appointed Imperial Commander Lucan 033042, M32. Instrumental in founding Adeptus Astartes unit 4 'Spacewolves'. Suffered severe alviola damage during acid storms on Susa. Transplanted with model cybron-osmotic gill." I love going through the RT book and taking a trip down memory lane. It's sometimes fun to read the original fluff, before it was all retconned over the years. Best, Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163518-change-in-heraldry/#findComment-1926523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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