Verythrax Draconis Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I give the SW series as a whole 4.5 stars out of 5 (one of the lee lightner books was a little shabby the rest were excellent), HH 5 of 5, Ciaphas Cain 5 of 5, Eisenhorn 5 of 5, and the GK books as a series... 4.0 (I can't rate anything that was able to hold my attention that well very low and they were very entertaining, which is the point no?) So you got yourself a really good list there. Careful with the HH books though they can own you and make you crave more. Oh and I havn't read the soul drinkers stuff, heard bad things though... I liked the SW first book - it's well written, and I can easily see how can this be THE book for any SW fan. But I just don't dig the chapter that much - I live in Brazil, so I couldn't let pass the chance to get a BL book fresh on the shelf, lost between Star Wars fiction, could I? ;) And talking about BL as a whole, I'm simply stunned by how good the level of the 40k books is. I learned to not expect much from Star Wars and RPG-based fiction, but 40k fiction surpassed my expectations easily. Dan Abnett and Sandy Mitchell rules! I'm just finishing Horus Rising, and the next 2 HH books are already here waiting in the line. But I'm already worried - how many dozens of HH books were release so far? <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163580-gene-seed/page/2/#findComment-1923552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 You don't have to be that worried the HH series is almost in the double digits now, so not even 1 dozen yet. As for Abnett and Mitchel I can say unequivically that Abnett is the finest sci-fi writer in the medium today if not one of the very best writers of fiction. His work on the Nova series of comic books has been amazing and his run on Majestic was one of the biggest tragedies in comicdom because of its cancelation. Mitchel is simply the best person imaginable to write 40k with a light hearted twist, amazing stuff really. And yes compared to the slew of Star Wars and D&D and what not the 40k stuff is actually head and shoulders above the rest with regards to general quality. I think its because the uniqueness of the universe draws talent. Its a show of quality when a book can get me talking to it, like in the HH when I started yelling explatives at what a massive arse Abbadon was near the end of the third book. And the Ciaphas Cain stuff truly is laugh out loud funny. If you wish to continue this further though I suppose it would be best to pm it, so not to further de-rail the thread... I'm becoming a master of that... not good <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163580-gene-seed/page/2/#findComment-1923562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Yeah, not to be a party-pooper, but can we leave the Black Library discussions elsewhere? If need be I'll start another thread where we can praise Abnett and hate on the lesser writers (like the travesty of the Deathwatch novels)... :) damn, I'm doing it now... As to the origins on the Inquisition/Grey Knights, what is known is; - Nathanial Garro and his crew arrive and pass on the warning of Horus's betrayal (third time Emperor has been told. 1t time he told Eldrad to get lost, and 2nd time he sent Russ to slap Magnus for using sorcery to contact him). It is then strongly hinted they are then grouped with 'men and women of an inquisitive nature' to form a new organisation... ;) - Emperor battles Horus, barely defeats him, ascends to Golden Throne - Ordo Malleus is founded not long after, to combat the new threat of Chaos (and if not before now, the Ordo Xenos is definately formed at this point). I have reason to believe the Ordo Xenos was being formed prior to the Heresy, but this is conjecture on my part, no concrete source to say one way or the other. - 2nd Founding (ie the splitting up of the loyalist Legions into ChapterS) occurs, DH codex states Grey Knights are founded at this time and permantly attached to the young Ordo Malleus. The Deathwatch is also most likely formed at this time, because it's stated that all of the First Founding have sworn oaths to send a tithe of battle-brothers to the Ordo Xenos, and presumably many of the subsequent Chapters follow the same traditions (although it's entirely possible some Chapters do not provide tithes to the Deathwatch, the vast majority would). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163580-gene-seed/page/2/#findComment-1923724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Hadafix Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Considering the GK are powerful psykers and supposing they have mixed Gene-Seed, then there must be a lot of 1k sons 'seed in the mix. :) I thought the =][= started with the Sisters of Silence, though thats really just going from the HH books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163580-gene-seed/page/2/#findComment-1924376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 (and if not before now, the Ordo Xenos is definately formed at this point). I have reason to believe the Ordo Xenos was being formed prior to the Heresy, but this is conjecture on my part, no concrete source to say one way or the other. You say the Ordo Xenos was definitely formed at this time - what are you basing that on? I ask only because a lot of people keep telling me the Ordo Xenos was formed at around the same time as the Ordo Malleus, but so far no one has been able to show a canonical source that states this - I'm hoping you have a source you can refer me to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163580-gene-seed/page/2/#findComment-1924727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 That's probably because GW hasn't deemed to tell us any real information on the Ordo Xenos any time recently. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163580-gene-seed/page/2/#findComment-1925881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 You say the Ordo Xenos was definitely formed at this time - what are you basing that on? I ask only because a lot of people keep telling me the Ordo Xenos was formed at around the same time as the Ordo Malleus, but so far no one has been able to show a canonical source that states this - I'm hoping you have a source you can refer me to. As far as canon goes, we know the Ordos Xenos exists, is dedicated to combating alien threats, and has the Deathwatch as their Chamber Militant (who have a fair bit of info about themselves floating around). That's it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163580-gene-seed/page/2/#findComment-1925907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 As far as canon goes, we know the Ordos Xenos exists, is dedicated to combating alien threats, and has the Deathwatch as their Chamber Militant (who have a fair bit of info about themselves floating around). That's it.Exactly, yet people keep saying the Ordo Xenos was definitely formed at around the same time as the Ordo Malleus. The Ordo is mentioned in quite a lot of places (all those reports at the back of codices and the like), so what's the earliest (in terms of the in-universe date) reference anyone has seen? I'll have a look myself too and see what I can find... EDIT: According to Index Astartes, the Deathwatch were formed 'thousands of years ago' - unfortunately that doesn't narrow things down much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163580-gene-seed/page/2/#findComment-1927126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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