theredcorsair Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 I noticed that Lightning claws are the same price as power weapons but are quite a bit better. The only disadvantage is the loss of an attack, but the re-rolls on wounds overcome this by quite a bit. It does depend on how many attacks you have or if you even have the option for two, but GW made quite a mistake here. I suggest you take advantage of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 ...I can't see how it's a mistake. Captain with LC and Pistol, 3 attacks on MEQs, 2 hit, 1.5 wounds. Captain with Power Weapon and pistol, 4 attacks on MEQs, 2.67 hits, 1.34 wounds. The LC is only a tiny bit better at killing MEQs, but against Guardsmen, Eldar, etc. the Power Weapon is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredcorsair Posted March 21, 2009 Author Share Posted March 21, 2009 I'm pretty sure you're not gonna be aiming you're captain against light troops. You aim your captain at the big guyz were you can earn your points back easier and more effectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 This is not a mistake, though. You're not going to be charging into enemies with your Devastators, why do P-fists cost the same for the Sarge? It's the same principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Actually, a captain will be attached to a squad, so he'll go after the same units they do, which may well be light infantry. And besides, what if your enemy doesn't have heavy infantry? Plenty of armies don't. The costs are what they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulochromis Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Captain with LC and Pistol, 3 attacks on MEQs, 2 hit, 1.5 wounds.Captain with Power Weapon and pistol, 4 attacks on MEQs, 2.67 hits, 1.34 wounds. Looking at the maths above, how many people would swap to power swords if they only cost 13 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Looking at the maths above, how many people would swap to power swords if they only cost 13 points?Relic Blade or Paired Claws for me, I see no point in compromising on my leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredcorsair Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 All armies have heavy infantry. Also, what if you have two LCs? Its not that many points actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredcorsair Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 All armies have heavy infantry. Also, what if you have two LCs? Its not that many points actually. They also generally gross more kills in my opinion, regardless of math Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredcorsair Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 What about a relic blade, is it better than a pair of claws for double the cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gornall Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 What about a relic blade, is it better than a pair of claws for double the cost? Relic blade and 2 LCs are both 30 points, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 They also generally gross more kills in my opinion, regardless of math Dude, no offence, but that doesn't matter, there isn't some mystical force making LCs better than power weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowstalker Grim Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 They also generally gross more kills in my opinion Hehe well someone else might voice the opinion that power weapons have killed more than their claws ever had. I think its a fair bit that everyone will kit out their captain with the best gear they can, after all it is the big boss of your forces. As for which is better, well claws might well have a slight edge overall against power weapons, then again they might not. I think that they come off around equal which is why then there is the upgrade for double claws and relic blades. But also, as far as i can tell a captain can go after who the hell he wants, i mean he might fare well against tough enemy elites, but he might be better used removing enemy troops or weaker units that prove juicy targets. However i will point out that tactical squad sergeants have access to power weapons, but not claws, these are much more limited and perhaps because they are better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Jimmy Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Advatage to relic blade, ability to wound higher toughness creatures. And wound lower toughness creatures more often. For my money (points) my commanders loadout is relic blade, storm shield, aux grenade launcher. Seargents should be a healthy mix, but I tend to favor power sword, as weight of fire/attacks are prefferable to my style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Legion Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 P is better simply because you can get an extra attack, meaning extra wound, meaing extra dead something, whereas with claws you lose any chance to get that extra kill. If you can afford a pair of LCs, then it's a whole other story. That's how I'd arm my captains (I only use chaplains, and as of late vulkan)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happybounce Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I think we're overlooking something important here: a single Lightning Claw looks silly. Power weapons for the win! Plus, I always opt for more attacks. I'll gamble on hitting and wounding with everything before taking the "safe" route any day of the week! That's how Space Marines roll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredcorsair Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 They also generally gross more kills in my opinion, regardless of math Dude, no offence, but that doesn't matter, there isn't some mystical force making LCs better than power weapons. You kinda put that out of proportion there. Also, it does look silly if its single. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 They also generally gross more kills in my opinion, regardless of math Dude, no offence, but that doesn't matter, there isn't some mystical force making LCs better than power weapons. You kinda put that out of proportion there. No, he's right, you can't say they kill more regardless of math - even if they do, that's just probability. My Termagants kill more than my Genestealers in CC, but does that mean they're better? No, it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredcorsair Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 You guys are finally swaying my firm opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 You guys are finally swaying my firm opinion. That's good to know :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 No, you! Lol, but seriously, it's not something GW missed, as prior to this new... codex, the lightning claws have always cost more than power weapons. I still struggle with it when planning my next SW squad... *looks at Space Wolves army* sigh... *sobs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredcorsair Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 At least you think they;re better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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