WG Vrox Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Ok so here is my beef. It was a Dawn of War roll and all was good until the eldar player's first turn in which he measured 12" from the edge and put his skimmer onto the table. But rather than measuring from the tip of the skimmer going forward, he measured from the front of the base, so in effect got an extra 2 to 3 inches of range with the guns on the front of the skimmer. When I move my force I keep in mind the max a unit can move and can guage pretty good about where I need to be to stay out of range of an assult or weapon. When my oppent adds an extra inch or does this kind of thing it really does mess with my tactics and the outcome of the game. Yeah I guess you can claim RAW and say this is legal, but really....... come on. WG Vrox. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Yeah that's pretty douchey of him. And most definately this is a game of rules, shoot I won two weeks ago because about 3/16" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/#findComment-1925988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambu Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 When I settup, I measure the 12" from the table edge and then i never put anything on the vehicle in front of the imaginary line. In fact all in the gaming group does that. It's not that we are trying to hide anything but it we have felt if you use the base it will give you a better advantage when firing with weapons so I can understand your displeasure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/#findComment-1925990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 yeah that is weird... being that i am sure i have seen in the rule book that you measure from the hulls of vehicles. did you explain it to him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/#findComment-1926012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Could be interpretation of a house rule. If it isn't clarified or set before the start of the game, then both are at fault. Depending on whom I've gamed with in the past I've played both ways. One preferred measuring movement and shooting from the stem of flying bases (lots of Eldar flying things). While another took the rules to the letter and measures every shot from the ends of the barrels/muzzles or movements from the farthest forward edge/corner (IG player - those games felt like they took DAYS to play). Discuss any possible interpretations before the game starts and all will remain fun, otherwise it gets to be a point of contention which drags everything down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/#findComment-1926053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khan of the North Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 When stuff like that happens to me I call them out on it as polite as possible, out right accuse them of cheating and they’ll take offence. “woe dude you just moved 3” to far” or come on man you can’t assault your orks out of a battle wagon you gave a Hard Top to.” They have always told me they were sorry and usually it is a misunderstanding and after that they’re always careful about what they do or ask if some thing is ambiguous, and just so you know I have always got max points in sportsmanship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/#findComment-1926532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 The rules are very clear on this. When measuring distances with vehicles, you use the vehicle hull for all things except shooting. In other words ... you got shafted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/#findComment-1926800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vxx Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 That sucks. We have some players that give themselves a good 2-3 inches extra movement. They will measure out 6" for troop movements but for some reason they think that its ok to set the model 3" past the 6" mark. It annoys the hell out of me especially after I call them out on it. Its like they cant help themselves, as if there is some unknown force pushing their hands those few extra inches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/#findComment-1926809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 I know how to deal with these guys and I after reading the rules I agree with Yeti, so yeah my bad for allowing it. That sucks. We have some players that give themselves a good 2-3 inches extra movement. They will measure out 6" for troop movements but for some reason they think that its ok to set the model 3" past the 6" mark. It annoys the hell out of me especially after I call them out on it. Its like they cant help themselves, as if there is some unknown force pushing their hands those few extra inches. As for these guys, I know how to deal with them, I do what called the "helpful finger" basicaly I put my finger down at the 6" or 12" mark when they measure, to yeah give them a helpful mark of where to set the model. From experience do no remove that finger util they are removed their hands from the model. I also am quick to the draw when they go to remove the model, to yep help them not loose the mark when remeasuring. This has served me very well for these kind of players, WG Vrox. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/#findComment-1926865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I very helpfully suggest that they measure out the distance and then leave the measuring tape/device where the model should end up so there's no chance of the model 'accidentally' sliding an extra few inches... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/#findComment-1927059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfside Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 lpetersson, people do move the tape measure while moving the model. i played against an ork player who would move, id call him out, he'd put the model back but further away from where it originally was, then measure 6 inches and exclaim "OH LOOK HE GETS TO MOVE FURTHER ANYWAY. THANKS" fk i hated him when he did that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163853-is-it-to-much-to-ask/#findComment-1927726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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