Inquisition army?

[Battle Captin Torodin]

has anyone done this before

 

i have smashed the two codex together and tried to make it more like a single inquisition army rather than two alied force

 

if done this by using one squad of SOB one squad of grey knights and then one squad of storm troopers

 

that hides where the troops are from

 

and then selecting certain allies helps smooth them together further, grey knight termies and seraphim

 

all lead by an inquisitor lord of course

 

what you guys think?

 

would you be able to tell which codex its from or does it look like a large inquisition force?

 

any advice welcome

[Peredyne]

The heavy choices will tell your opponent what you have. Land Raiders or Dreads, GK is the parent list. Exorcist or penitent engine, WH is the parent list.

If you're trying to hide what list you're using, just stop right now. It's not sporting to do that. :)

[number6]

If you're trying to hide what list you're using, just stop right now. It's not sporting to do that. :blush:

Well ... it's not like it matters. The units are what they are, that simply will not change no matter which army is the parent.

 

A long time ago, before I went fully gung-ho for GKs and DH, I wanted to build a "pure Inquisition" force as well. One that didn't obviously advertise itself as either Ordo Malleus or Ordo Hereticus. Not because I wanted to be tricksy, but because I wanted to more accurately represent what I thought an Inquisitor's army would look like, if said Inquisitor had good connections and was fighting a particular campaign. (I won't go into the fluff behind those games of yore.)

 

I think it's an interesting problem. I wish there was some way to get around the "heavy support limitation". The only solution I could come up with was to take at least 2 units of ISTs with meltas. More depending on how many basic Sisters units I also took, who would also have to be carrying at least one melta gun in the unit as well.

 

In the end, I abandoned the effort as just too restrictive on fun. An interesting thought problem, but not one conducive to entertaining gaming. For me, anyway....

[Melissia]

Nope, wouldn't ever do it either, but then, I don't play the Inquisitino. I might end up doing Sisters with allied Grey Knights. GK Termies are mouthwateringly powerful if used right...

[DinoDoc]

Nope, wouldn't ever do it either, but then, I don't play the Inquisitino.

GW fluff namely the Convocation of Nephilim makes the hard distinction you seek to draw between the Sisters and Inquisition problematic at best.

[Aidoneus]

I guess I've kinda done that. Recently, I've been using a just-for-fun list that's themed as a radical daemonhunter army, but actually uses a Witch Hunter base, to get exorcists (modeled more like whilrwinds, so not obviously sisters) and a lone cannonness (called a second inquisitor, who prays to the dark gods for the benefits of acts of 'faith').

 

The list is here. Check it out.

 

So far, it's 1/1/1, and ever game has been an absolute blast.

[Battle Captin Torodin]

The heavy choices will tell your opponent what you have. Land Raiders or Dreads, GK is the parent list. Exorcist or penitent engine, WH is the parent list.

If you're trying to hide what list you're using, just stop right now. It's not sporting to do that. ;)

 

if you read it properly i said i want to make an inquisition army and not obvious which codex its from,

 

not decietful but focusing more on an inquisition feel rather than a seperate division

[JamesI]

What equipment you give the Inquisitor Lord could also tell which codex its from.

[Battle Captin Torodin]

true, wats most annoying is that im using the ordo xenos inquisitor hector from forgeworld.

 

he happens to be in terminator armour which is only availiable from the DH codex.

 

so i maybe be using it as power armour and using items that are availiable in both codexs

[JamesI]

Why is it so important to not be able to identify the base codex?

[andrewm9]

The heavy choices will tell your opponent what you have. Land Raiders or Dreads, GK is the parent list. Exorcist or penitent engine, WH is the parent list.

If you're trying to hide what list you're using, just stop right now. It's not sporting to do that. :P

 

if you read it properly i said i want to make an inquisition army and not obvious which codex its from,

 

not decietful but focusing more on an inquisition feel rather than a seperate division

 

So you don't want any heavy choices except an Orbital Strike? That is more or less what it amounts to. Anything else will suggest a parent army. There really isn't anyway around it. I say that not to be snarky which it may come across as, but the heavy support choices are what they are.

[Melissia]

Nope, wouldn't ever do it either, but then, I don't play the Inquisitino.

GW fluff namely the Convocation of Nephilim makes the hard distinction you seek to draw between the Sisters and Inquisition problematic at best.

Convocation of Nephilim is merely an agreement for the Sisters to assist the Ordo Hereticus. The Sisters of Battle are not part of the inquisition any more than a Space Marine chapter who agrees to help an Inquisitor. The Sisters are, and have always been, primarilly the army of the Ecclesiarchy, prosecuting its wars of faith. Even Codex: Witch Hunters essentially says this, giving far, FAR more attention to the Sisters' duties to the Ecclesiarchy than the tiny pittance of a paragraph taht is given to discuss their duties to the Inquisition. Quite frankly, C:WH is Codex Sisters of Battle with the Inquisition tacked on in a half-assed manner.

[Prathios]

And with the Ordo Hereticus seeking to root out and destroy those who do not hold to the imperial truth does this not fit perfectly? Would the militant arm of a group thats sole reason for being is to destroy those who defy the church not serve the Ecclesiarchy in some manner? And does not serving the inquisition as a militant arm not elevate the sisters role in the Imperium? It seems to me that from a fluff standpoint the attachment to the Ordo Hereticus as its militant arm was a natural progression rather than some supposed half assed plot to destroy the sisters.

 

And saying the sisters of battle are not any more a part of the Inquisition than Space Marines is flat wrong. Marines are not even an official part of the Imperium of man, they operate under their own rules and are not required under any law to follow orders from Terra. The sisters are very much a part of the Imperium and as such they are under the full unquestioning servitude of any inquisitor who desires their services. The are not an autonomous entity like the marines. They do not have the military might to stand alone as the Astartes do as they are both fully human and lacking the logistical backing of the Astartes fleets and forges. The Inquisition enables the sisters to have greater access to logistical necessity so it ends up being a very beneficial agreement.

[DinoDoc]

The Sisters of Battle are not part of the inquisition any more than a Space Marine chapter who agrees to help an Inquisitor.

They are the chamber militant of Ordo Hereticus. That alone ties them much closer to the Inquisition than some Space Marine chapter who allies with an inquisitor. I don't see how you can get around that fact. It's akin to saying that Grey Knights aren't apart of Ordo Malleus. All of that is before we get to the arguement Prathios laid out.

[Melissia]

I fail to see your point. The fact is, the vast majority of actions taken by the Sisters are done without the Inquisition's aid, permission, authority, and possibly also without their knowledge (at least not explicitly and openly). No matter how much you say otherwise, the Sisters are not "Inquisition" any more than any other member of the Imperium of Man who is dragged into helping the Inquisition, willingly or otherwise.

 

Oh, and yes, the Marines are a part of the Imperium of Man. They are a rather autonomous part with their own set of rules to be certain, but a part of the Imperium nonetheless. The Marines fight for the Imperium, win battles for the Imperium, die for the Imperium, and for the God-Emperor of Mankind (even if they don't necessarilly believe in His divinity, dependant on the chapter). They defend His people and fight alongside His armies, destroy His enemies and generally work for the betterment of the Imperium of Man, dedicated wholely and utterly to battling the Imperuim's enemies.

 

Their level of autonomy and authority notwithstanding, the Marines are a part of the Imperuim, and certain Marine chapters have been drafted into helping the Inquisition one way or the other (either by favor trading, repaying old debts, or out of a need for penitance). Thus, my comparison still stands. If you still refuse to see my logic, I'll just switch to another subject and point out to you the use of the Imperial Guard by the Inquisition. The Imperial Guard is not a part of the Inquisition either, any more than the Sisters are. That does not stop the Imperial Guard from giving whole regiments (or simply having them taken away) to the Inquisition, even so far as giving large numbers of Stormtroopers, the Imperium's highly valuable special forces units, to them and forming the Inquisition's only true "army" (the Inquisition itself is not a military organization, but an investigative one-- it does not NEED an army, it takes other peoples' armies and uses them for its own benefit).

 

 

That said, shall we get back on topic? I certainly never intended for my comment to drag this thread into a discussion on the nature of the Sisters of Battle and their relations with the Inquisition, I was just commenting on how I play my own army units.

[Prathios]

I always enjoyed the "lets get back on topic after I finish my rant" but if its the last word you seek then you shall have it. B)

[Melissia]

Well, I certainly can't claim to be the most mature person on the net, but I had already posted my rant when I realized how off-topic this was going.

[Verythrax Draconis]

The Sisters of Battle are not part of the inquisition any more than a Space Marine chapter who agrees to help an Inquisitor.

They are the chamber militant of Ordo Hereticus. That alone ties them much closer to the Inquisition than some Space Marine chapter who allies with an inquisitor. I don't see how you can get around that fact. It's akin to saying that Grey Knights aren't apart of Ordo Malleus. All of that is before we get to the arguement Prathios laid out.

 

Quoting for truth.

 

It's important to notice that the GK have a more solid bond with OM than the SoBs have with OH, Simply because they were created with that goal in mind.

 

The "freedom" that the SoB have is subject on their availability outside their duties to:

 

1: Ordo Hereticus, in first place (yeah, in the end they seems to use them less them the Ecclesiarchy, but they have more authority);

 

2: Ecclesiarchy, it's safe to say that 90% or more that the SoBs done outside =I= duty was under Ecclesiarchy orders.

 

Don't forget guys, they ARE a chamber militant, and serving 2 lords at doing this, what can bind them even more than the GKs, IMO. The Concil of Nephilim would not being need to just state that the SoBs are subject to use by OH, cause ALL the human resources were already available to all =I= branches, anyway. The status of Chamber Militant put their bond one (or more) step(s) higher than a simple "agree to help" - it's not like the SoBs really have the right to refuse. The fact the text says that they have common goals is just there to state that the SoBs were willing to join forces with OH, not that they done it so casually. Of course, if you (the SoBs) are a force devoted to fight the witch and the heretic (and was created from a group of ex-renegades) you would be more than happy to do this bid, that suddenly put that much recognition, authority and resources in your hands. It was a win-win situation for both SoBs and OH.

 

And with the Ordo Hereticus seeking to root out and destroy those who do not hold to the imperial truth does this not fit perfectly? Would the militant arm of a group thats sole reason for being is to destroy those who defy the church not serve the Ecclesiarchy in some manner? And does not serving the inquisition as a militant arm not elevate the sisters role in the Imperium? It seems to me that from a fluff standpoint the attachment to the Ordo Hereticus as its militant arm was a natural progression rather than some supposed half assed plot to destroy the sisters.

 

And a smart move for the =I=, since they will have control over the SoBs if the Ecclesiarchy go berserk like in the Age of Apostasy, and will prive them from their firepower at the same time ;)

 

NOW answering the topic at hand:

 

The only way to do this is sticking to ISTs, IMO. Or you can ally Deathwatch (dunno if their rules are still valid or you will have to ally SMs as "count as") if you goal is create a ordo Xenos list with that.

 

I would use an IG list for that with Inqs as allies.

[Inquisitor Fox]

Thought to further the discussion of the original poster...

 

Who needs HS choices when you can take Land Raiders as transport options for Inquisitors?

 

It's what I do with my own list, and I love having the Land Raider with twin-linked lascannons. It's a beast, especially for an army that lacks significant long range anti-tank firepower.

 

So.. one or two Inquisitors, each with a Land Raider Transport (you could even take 2 Inquisitor Lords, one Ordo Hereticus, one Ordo Malleus.. each with a good 9 man retinue, put them both in Land Raiders), then two to four Stormtrooper squads, plop them in ForgeWorld Repressors, and use 6 DCA's, a Temple Assassin, and an Orbital Bombardment.

 

Sounds fun and fluffy to me ;)

[Battle Captin Torodin]

i did think of two inquisitors but i dont think you can take two lords, one would have to be an elite choice

 

im not too fussed about HS to be honest. i didnt reli bother with it for my previous SOB army.

 

however what i could do is take a penetant [sorry cant spell] or an exorcist and then a GK landraider, this would mean it is an SOB army with additions but the landraider wopuld make it look well mixed.

 

at the end of the day im not looking to trick anyone into thinking im taking one army when im not, im after a cool mix of the two codex and trying to use them as i think they should be used, the inquisition as one force.

 

so i think i shall re-word my original question and try to bypass all the trouble my question causes.

 

im allying both WH and DH in a way that makes it look like an inqusition force rather than a GK or SOB force. with some carfull selection i think this can be done quite easily.

 

what do you guys think?

[Melissia]

Well, you can always try alnd raider spam. If I'm not mistaken, you can get.... 8 Land Raiders in one army?

 

2 HQ Inq.s, 3 Elite Inq.s, 3 HS Land Raiders (from C:DH)

 

Mind you, it's probably a bit expensive, but nobody would want to face it.

[Peredyne]

however what i could do is take a penetant [sorry cant spell] or an exorcist and then a GK landraider, this would mean it is an SOB army with additions but the landraider wopuld make it look well mixed.

 

im allying both WH and DH in a way that makes it look like an inqusition force rather than a GK or SOB force. with some carfull selection i think this can be done quite easily.

 

what do you guys think?

 

IIRC, you can't ally in HS from either 'dex. If you are using WH as the parent, you have to select WH HS. The way around that is to ally in GK termies and attach a LR to them as their ride.

[Inquisitor Fox]

You CAN have two Inquisitor Lords, BUT one HAS to be a Daemon Hunters Inq, and the other HAS to be a Witch Hunters Inq. They're each a 0-1 choice, but they're distinct choices.

 

You can get up to 5 Inquisitors. The only way to get Land Raiders in an Inquisition army that ISN'T using a Grey Knight HQ, is by taking them as transport options for these up to 5. Therefore you could have 5 Inquisitorial Land Raiders in a legal list.

[Melissia]

however what i could do is take a penetant [sorry cant spell] or an exorcist and then a GK landraider, this would mean it is an SOB army with additions but the landraider wopuld make it look well mixed.

 

im allying both WH and DH in a way that makes it look like an inqusition force rather than a GK or SOB force. with some carfull selection i think this can be done quite easily.

 

what do you guys think?

 

IIRC, you can't ally in HS from either 'dex. If you are using WH as the parent, you have to select WH HS. The way around that is to ally in GK termies and attach a LR to them as their ride.

 

 

Hrm, I think you're right on the HS slot land raider. So here, let's simpilfy it. Use C:DH as the base, and take:

 

[HQ Slot] C:DH Inquisitor Lord w/retinue and Land Raider transport

[HQ Slot] Ally in: C:WH Imquisitor Lord w/retinue and Land Raider transport

[Elite Slot] C:DH Inquisitor w/retinue and Land Raider transport

[Elite Slot] C:DH Inquisitor w/retinue and Land Raider transport

[Elite Slot] C:DH Inquisitor w/retinue and Land Raider transport

 

The rest of the army can be taken at your discretion. Also if you want to keep it an Inquisitorial army, you can't use arco-flagellants or penitant engines either, so you really don't have any heavy support choices to choose except for orbital bombardments (which is 0-1)

[JamesI]

Who needs heavy support with 5 dedicated land raiders? And Inquisitors can be good fire bases.