Beef Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I agree with the above poster. My view is people let the bigger chaos charactors like Abbadon and Khârn turn their minds in these polls. There awsomness post heresy clouds peoples judgments. We are talking about when these guys were still loyal to the EMP (not to their own primarch BUT to the EMP) When they were that loyal they were good but there were better than them among their legions. I think for the Next one we should do Kor pharon Vs Luthor. Both were not astartes but augmented humans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-1938970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Bu the fact is, they did fight, and circumstances aside, Loken did lose. So of all the scenarios present this is the one that actually happened, and we know how it turned out. Granted it didn't favor Loken, but the life of an Astartes is never fair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-1939929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticFox Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Bu the fact is, they did fight, and circumstances aside, Loken did lose. So of all the scenarios present this is the one that actually happened, and we know how it turned out. Granted it didn't favor Loken, but the life of an Astartes is never fair. You're right, but that perspective makes the whole discussion pointless, and where's the fun in that? <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-1945370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naestran Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Based on the Horus Heresy books i would say LOken because when the are sparring with Lucius and Eberus Torgaddon says that Loken is the best with the blade among them. Then he delivers some serious smackdown to the best swordsman in the Emperors children in one shot! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-1950217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Based on the Horus Heresy books i would say LOken because when the are sparring with Lucius and Eberus Torgaddon says that Loken is the best with the blade among them. Then he delivers some serious smackdown to the best swordsman in the Emperors children in one shot! In Lucius's defense (even though I hate him), Loken cheap-shotted him. Also, Loken may be the best with a blade, but Abaddon has pure might on his side. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-1955189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Loken. He threw Khârn onto the dozer blades of a vehicle Khârn himself come on thats just awesome and then he went on to fight Abby give him a break. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-1958682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Loken. He threw Khârn onto the dozer blades of a vehicle Khârn himself come on thats just awesome and then he went on to fight Abby give him a break. It's called plot armour, son. They weren't going to have the main character die because some drugged maniac assaulted him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-1959004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stef Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 In my opinion Loken wins, not because i want him to (which i do) but because the battle was extremely one-sided. Loken had just survived a virus bomb, had a fight with Khârn which left him exhausted and wounded, was wearing power armour (as opposed to Abaddons superior terminator armour) and was unwilling to strike the first captain. After he saw Torgaddon die he had that fury that had pulled him up from that ledge while fighting Xavyer Jubal in Horus rising, that insane passion to serve his legion as he attacked Abaddon and almost ''Illuminated him'' but alas the comical Monty-Python foot comes down upon the scene, in this case it was the leg of an Imperator class Titan (The Dies Irae). Is that not one sided? ;) My theory on his condition at the moment is that he fell through the floors of the building into the cellar where he could live off rats as a Space Marine can eat pretty much anything and was possibly discovered by a legion who rescued him, maybe it won't just be people like Logan Grimnar or Lysander who can rival Abaddon in the future, Loken comes for your blood ''Warmaster of all chaos''! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2027392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 In a "fair" fight Loken would win. How that fight would happen is kinda hard to think up. Loken as far as we know so far never gets TDA, or a Power weapon. Abaddon, never comes out of his Armour or allows his fights to be "fair". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2027507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 My vote would go to Loken, because even in the middle of combat he wouldn't let his rage and anger get the better of him, keep a level head and exploit Abaddon's weaknesses, mainly the reduced freedom of mobility of TDA (even if Abaddon wore it well) and Abaddon's rage. I was just unfortunate for Loken that he was tired out from countless fights over the last few months (?) and the fact that Abaddon needed to win that saw him loose to Abaddon in Galaxy in Flames. As many people have said, Loken is the best of the Mournival with a blade, and bested Lucius (even if it was a cheap shot), and so my vote goes to Loken. In a 1v1 battle with both of them fresh and rested, I reckon Loken would just about come out on top. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2027637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible_Trygon Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Abbadon was stated in the books to be the greatest non Primarch hero in the Imperium. He likely cannot only just beat down Logan, but likely any other marine hero that shows up in his face. Abbadon's might is stated to be as offical as Horus being the Warmaster. And anyways, Abby already won this ages ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2027774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Abbadon was stated in the books to be the greatest non Primarch hero in the Imperium. He likely cannot only just beat down Logan, but likely any other marine hero that shows up in his face. Abbadon's might is stated to be as offical as Horus being the Warmaster. And anyways, Abby already won this ages ago. Umm, i think this is all propaganda. Who ever said/ thought this never knew Loken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2028318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Well again, Abaddon has terminator armor... so he wins again. It would be a close call if they were on an even field but they arn't. Aby takes the cake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2028496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Subtle Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Abbadon. Termy armour or not. hes just a killing machine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2030698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible_Trygon Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Abbadon would not even need to fight Loken to win. You can't kill that which is already dead. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2030700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Abbadon would not even need to fight Loken to win. You can't kill that which is already dead. :) Wrong thread for that kind of remark friend. i'm sure those who have posted don't want that argument to spill over here. Lets stay on topic eh? And as for him being the killing machine.... Why was he not picked to fight Lucius? Or why did he not argue Loken being selected? He knew he had no shot and did not want to be embarrassed. His Ego got in his way, and the knowledge that he was an inferior warrior Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2030735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memnoch Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Abbaddon wins. Say what you want about Loken being tactically better (wheres the proof of that? Abbaddon got to being Captain of the First Company how?) Abaddon believes he is right and has no remorse unlike Loken who is remorseful for what has happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2031253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible_Trygon Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Loken is not the best swordsmen ever, nor is he the best tactician ever. He is not meant to be. He was made to be a solider. A character that is not oober world endingly awesomely powerful. Loken is closer to human so that the reader can relate with him. Abbadon on the other hand is superior to all other Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, second only to Horus. Why superior? Because that is why he is second only to the Warmaster in the legion. He has a expert's skills in all fields of war and has proven himself to, as Loken put it, be the most powerful non-Primarch warrior in the Imperium. It is a unfair match up you could say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2032036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Loken is not the best swordsmen ever, nor is he the best tactician ever. He is not meant to be. He was made to be a solider. A character that is not oober world endingly awesomely powerful. Loken is closer to human so that the reader can relate with him. Abbadon on the other hand is superior to all other Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, second only to Horus. Why superior? Because that is why he is second only to the Warmaster in the legion. He has a expert's skills in all fields of war and has proven himself to, as Loken put it, be the most powerful non-Primarch warrior in the Imperium. It is a unfair match up you could say. Most powerful non-primarch? I don't know I would agree with you on that, I mean if Abaddon fought someone like say... Sigismund... well I think the votes would get pretty wild. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2032091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible_Trygon Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I only quoted what was said in the books. Though it was Loken's opinion I think. But Loken is meant to be Jesus Christ so his word is gold. B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2032156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Sure, I get that. However I am a huge Loken fan but lets face it, he probably never served beside most of the number 1's from other legions so he might not be the most reliable source on this. I can think of three guys that would be a good challange for a pre-empowered version of Abaddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2032181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stef Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I agree that Abaddon is tough as nails, however, I have seen that a lot of you think Garvi would beat him in a 1v1 fair duel, (see my post above) and isn't Abaddon vs Loken what this post was supposed to be about? Abaddon being huge and one of the greatest non-primarch heroes of the imperium is irellevant, just Abaddon vs Loken wether that is in a fair or unfair duel is something you take into account. Loken wins in a fair fight, Abaddon beats Loken in the book in that one-sided battle, but a lot of you are thinking of Abaddon with all his Chaos gifts, this is the captain of first company Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, I am fine with you giving your opinion on that duel :-) [a lot of you are thinking of Abaddon with all his Chaos gifts, this is the captain of first company Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, I am fine with you giving your opinion on that duel] Anyone here agree with that final statement? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2036957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I agree that Abaddon is tough as nails, however, I have seen that a lot of you think Garvi would beat him in a 1v1 fair duel, (see my post above) and isn't Abaddon vs Loken what this post was supposed to be about? Abaddon being huge and one of the greatest non-primarch heroes of the imperium is irellevant, just Abaddon vs Loken wether that is in a fair or unfair duel is something you take into account. Loken wins in a fair fight, Abaddon beats Loken in the book in that one-sided battle, but a lot of you are thinking of Abaddon with all his Chaos gifts, this is the captain of first company Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, I am fine with you giving your opinion on that duel :-) [a lot of you are thinking of Abaddon with all his Chaos gifts, this is the captain of first company Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, I am fine with you giving your opinion on that duel] Anyone here agree with that final statement? I think it doesn't matter if he has gifts or not. Abaddon didn't get first captain cause he sucked at fighting. He wins in almost every scenario, its just a much closer match if they are both in power armor with chainswords. I just assume they get their standard equipment which would put abaddon in termy armor which makes this a wash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2036986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible_Trygon Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Abbadon in power armour would be worse off for Loken. The guy was as fast as Loken was in power armour when wearing termie armour. In power armour he would be lightening. And besides, if Loken is so superior to Abbadon in combat and tactics; why isn't he first Captain? Also Loken being able to beat Abbadon in a hand to hand fight would make him one of the greatest swordsmen in the entire galaxy. Do you have any idea how far-fetched that sounds? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2038083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 So many people got this one wrong. If Abaddon was to fight Cerberus he would get SPANKED. I call for a Re- VOTE! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163915-horus-heresy-battle-royale-week-nine-loken-vs-abaddon/page/3/#findComment-2726104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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