Bell of Lost Souls Blog on Space Wolves

[Wolfside]

Players who brag about their won-lost records should provide more of that information; the numbers alone are meaningless.

 

i cannot agree with you more. you who have stats under your signature seem to me like those people who roll for necromunda skill tables without a mediator/another player observing (i.e. they can make up the results)

[Vash113]

My experience is that my Wolves are very sensitive to point level, terrain on table, enemy type and number and type of objectives and win conditions. Players who brag about their won-lost records should provide more of that information; the numbers alone are meaningless. I can usually provide a brutal battle, but often the win conditions are unfulfillable for my Wolves if the opponent tries to hinder me. I play most of my games in 1000- or 1850-point tourneys and can't tailor the army to the opponent. With a mostly H2H army, games requiring me to reduce all enemy units below 50% are not fulfillable against any but a stupid opponent. Games requiring that both enemy objective markers be captured and held are all but impossible and if I also have to hold one of mine, there are simply not enough scoring units on the board to accomplish that. Against armies with land-speeder-type transports, they can simply dance rings around me unless I get the rare "hold both of your own markers" as a scenario. And when there is a take two objectives and hold more table quarters than the opponent, I again run out of troops on the ground. These are a few examples. If other players with great W-L records are not playing in these types of games at these point levels, then they should modify their statements about how competitive the SW codex is. The reviewer, IMO, had it right.

 

I haven't experienced anything of the sort. I run an infantry horde army though and at around 1500-2000 points I run full 6 Troops, with minimal support, mostly relegated to a pack of Long Fangs and the mandatory number of HQ's. 32 Blood Claws and 36 Grey Hunters make up the core of my army and I find I rarely if ever lack for scoring units and few enemies can counter that many Wolves, I've got a few Battle Reports around here too, but it's not always practical to write up a report and I don't always have a camera handy to visually record the proceedings.

 

i cannot agree with you more. you who have stats under your signature seem to me like those people who roll for necromunda skill tables without a mediator/another player observing (i.e. they can make up the results)

 

So what do you suggest? Numbers in the sig with links to documented battle reports with testimonies from a dozen eye witnesses? These are sigs after all with limited ammount of text, there's a limit to the information they can contain and not everyone likes writing up battle reports. There's no reason to be generally mistrustfull of peoples signature recordings.

[JEFF4i]

So what do you suggest? Numbers in the sig with links to documented battle reports with testimonies from a dozen eye witnesses? These are sigs after all with limited ammount of text, there's a limit to the information they can contain and not everyone likes writing up battle reports. There's no reason to be generally mistrustfull of peoples signature recordings.

 

I agree, excuse me for the fact that I didn't post a full battle report of 3v2 (4000 cumulative each side) from last Sunday's match. Hehe.

 

My loss came from a stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid decision to deploy somewhere that once I chosen, I realized just freakin stupid I was! My tie was exactly that, a good match. My wins range from everything from many lucky breaks on Capture and Hold, to annihilation against a couple people I know who I go to school with.

 

Note, with Ultrasmurfs, my last record I remember was something like 3-5-2 or something along those lines, more matches took place but for the life of me I can't remember much, but I didn't do any better. Space Wolves suit me, I drop pod like there's no tomorrow, and it works. So yeah, it helps me win. :)

[Grey Mage]

My experience is that my Wolves are very sensitive to point level, terrain on table, enemy type and number and type of objectives and win conditions. Players who brag about their won-lost records should provide more of that information; the numbers alone are meaningless. I can usually provide a brutal battle, but often the win conditions are unfulfillable for my Wolves if the opponent tries to hinder me. I play most of my games in 1000- or 1850-point tourneys and can't tailor the army to the opponent. With a mostly H2H army, games requiring me to reduce all enemy units below 50% are not fulfillable against any but a stupid opponent. Games requiring that both enemy objective markers be captured and held are all but impossible and if I also have to hold one of mine, there are simply not enough scoring units on the board to accomplish that. Against armies with land-speeder-type transports, they can simply dance rings around me unless I get the rare "hold both of your own markers" as a scenario. And when there is a take two objectives and hold more table quarters than the opponent, I again run out of troops on the ground. These are a few examples. If other players with great W-L records are not playing in these types of games at these point levels, then they should modify their statements about how competitive the SW codex is. The reviewer, IMO, had it right.

 

Im the highest ranked player at my LGS tournaments, and win more often then not in my club aswell. Switching my tournament army from Eldar to wolves last july didnt change any of that really, it took me from winning 4/5 tournaments as top general to 3/5 in competition with about 12-16 players from tau to khorne.

 

If you think wolves are CC based your crazy. They are marines, they are built for short range firefights. We are denied convenient access to heavy weapons in return for being a truel capable group in CC... but that doesnt change the close range firefight nature of wolves. If your playing CC only then you should probly be running almost nothing but bloodclaws. Anything else requires better usage.

 

Scoring units? Were no worse of that DA, BA, BT, or VM. Landspeeders? Take some, or better take some attack bikes and give your packs bolters and plasma guns to take the enemy out at range. Take two objectives and hold tablequarters? Fine, take two table quarters and kill enough of the enemy that they wont be holding anything.

 

i cannot agree with you more. you who have stats under your signature seem to me like those people who roll for necromunda skill tables without a mediator/another player observing (i.e. they can make up the results)

 

Wich is one reason I dont post my numbers... the other is I cant be bothered to count every single game actually. I only know my LGS stats because they keep track of it for me. That doesnt mean people around here are all liars, though Im sure some are. Who cares? Unless were standing around measuring instead of doing what we should be doing- throwing some dice and killing some xenos.

[Fang head]

I just have to say, as the only SW player that I know of in Western North Carolina, I can walk into the LGS, tell them that I play Space Wolves and get shudders from all of the experienced players. The wolves are intimidating, my skills as a general are not. :D I love playing with my VIKINGS IN SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Fang

[Wolfside]

wasn't my aim to sound mistrustful, but what i would suggest is something like

'having a record in my signature will make me think again when i run that unit of space wolves onto that objective thats in the open to try and win, instead of playing it safe and blowing up that leman russ over there to try and secure a draw (but if left alone would potentially blow away previously mentioned squad that ran)'

as you can see i work in customer service and if i can't take my rage out on them, im going to vent about something trivial

 

:D

 

JUST KIDDING!!

 

reading battle reports are fun.

[Ryzouken]

I haven't experienced anything of the sort. I run an infantry horde army though and at around 1500-2000 points I run full 6 Troops, with minimal support, mostly relegated to a pack of Long Fangs and the mandatory number of HQ's. 32 Blood Claws and 36 Grey Hunters make up the core of my army and I find I rarely if ever lack for scoring units and few enemies can counter that many Wolves, I've got a few Battle Reports around here too, but it's not always practical to write up a report and I don't always have a camera handy to visually record the proceedings.

 

How the piss? 32 Blood Claws culminate in a minimum of 3 groupings as max squad size is 15 and 36 Hunters culminate in a minimum of 4 choices as they're 6-10. When did they extend the FOC to include a 7th Troop selection?

 

Or did you accidentally count some Wolf Guard Leaders in there?

[Grey Mage]

Thats what I figured... he had his WG in those numbers...

[Vash113]

Ok so it's actually 30 Blood Claws, 34 Grey Hunters and 4 Wolf Guard Pack Leaders, but that takes longer to write. In essence I've got 2 squads of 16, 2 squads of 10, and 2 of 8 for a total of 68 Infantry in my Troops section alone and I should probably get the last two Grey Hunter packs to 10 each when I get a chance. That many power armored bodies is difficult for most opponents I face to deal with. Few have the sheer firepower or CC potency to compete with such numbers.

 

As for the whole win/loss/draw numbers I'd post them if there was much of a point but mostly they're just an interresting stat to have in a signature. Like one might record won games in a sports season and such. Personally I log all my games. Army, opponent, points level and result are all recorded however the end results are not exactly encouraging I find, as currently my various armies stand at:

 

Win/Loss/Draw

 

Ultramarines

 

13/3/1

 

Imperial Fists

 

1/0/0

 

Blood Ravens

 

6/0/0

 

Raven Guard

 

5/0/1

 

Space Wolves

 

7/0/0

 

Grey Knights

 

2/0/0

 

Imperial Guard

 

2/0/0

 

Tau

 

23/4/6

 

For a total of 74 games of which 59 are wins 7 are defeats and 8 are ties for about a 79.7% rounded to an even 80% win ratio. Which isn't bad however I find them rather sad actually, 74 games over a period of over 7 years... ugh. That's barely more than 10 games a year, less than one per month, ack. And yes I've only played my Wolves 7 times. *sigh* I really need to get more games in. B)

[whitewolfmxc]

did my share to comment on that post >< meh SW ROCKSSSSSSSSSSSSS in infinity

[kanaellars]

My experience is that my Wolves are very sensitive to point level, terrain on table, enemy type and number and type of objectives and win conditions. Players who brag about their won-lost records should provide more of that information; the numbers alone are meaningless. I can usually provide a brutal battle, but often the win conditions are unfulfillable for my Wolves if the opponent tries to hinder me. I play most of my games in 1000- or 1850-point tourneys and can't tailor the army to the opponent. With a mostly H2H army, games requiring me to reduce all enemy units below 50% are not fulfillable against any but a stupid opponent. Games requiring that both enemy objective markers be captured and held are all but impossible and if I also have to hold one of mine, there are simply not enough scoring units on the board to accomplish that. Against armies with land-speeder-type transports, they can simply dance rings around me unless I get the rare "hold both of your own markers" as a scenario. And when there is a take two objectives and hold more table quarters than the opponent, I again run out of troops on the ground. These are a few examples. If other players with great W-L records are not playing in these types of games at these point levels, then they should modify their statements about how competitive the SW codex is. The reviewer, IMO, had it right.

 

how are you running your wolves???

 

In 1000 points games = 3 troops

1500 points = 4 troops

2000 points = 5=6 troops

3000 points = 8-10 troops

up to the big daddy of Apocalypse games.... the 6000 (biggest we field in my local) = 12 troops (4 15x strong Blood Claws and 8 10 strong Grey Hunters)

 

I never have an issue with objectives.

 

And give the GH Rhinos and you can manuver them as well.

[Ryzouken]

For a total of 74 games of which 59 are wins 7 are defeats and 8 are defeats for about a 79.7% rounded to an even 80% win ratio.

 

So, to be clear, is that 15 losses or 7 losses and 8 losses? ;)

 

<-- A little loopy since finally putting the basecoat on the last wolf in his tourney list for Saturday.

[Vash113]

Oops, 7 losses and 8 ties, that's what happens when you post late at night. :tu:

[JEFF4i]

Vash, though you may be good...

 

You're shunned for playing Ultrasmurfs more than Wolves. SHUNNED!

[Vash113]

Vash, though you may be good...

 

You're shunned for playing Ultrasmurfs more than Wolves. SHUNNED!

 

The Ultramarines were my first Marine army, I've had them for over a year and a half longer than my Wolves though I strongly suspect over the next 6 months the Wolves will outnumber the games I've played with my Ultramarines.

[Grimfoe]

I don't think his criticism is completely unfair. Wolves can certainly be competitive, but they're not without their weaknesses in the 5th edition. As a second edition player that is now trying to play fifth, I'm struggling. It's difficult for me to hold back when I need to and be more patient. SW's are NOT the close combat gods they once were. I realize I've skipped two editions and the rules have changed a great deal, but there are certainly difficulties to overcome.

 

Of course, that's the challenge that makes it fun.

[nedaroony]

While i am looking forward to our new dex i am not (like most of us) looking forward to being flavour of the month,i love the fact that that at the 5-6 stores i sometimes venture to across the country i am one of the only woofer collectors they see,i'm shuddering at the fact that little timmy will be getting enough wolves at x-mas to fill a hundred longships,but the only good thing i can see about this is going to be the amount of woofer stuff on the mighty bay of E in jan/feb time when all the youngsters are fed up with us and want to return to ultrasmurfs or whoever,i hope that some of them do stay loyal with wolves and do so for many years to come,the ones who do stick it out i will welcome with open arms,a warm fire and a keg of finest ale

[Ryzouken]

...over the next 6 months the Wolves will outnumber the games I've played with my Wolves.

 

Keeping me busy Vash?

[MaveriK]

Vash, though you may be good...

 

You're shunned for playing Ultrasmurfs more than Wolves. SHUNNED!

 

The Ultramarines were my first Marine army, I've had them for over a year and a half longer than my Wolves though I strongly suspect over the next 6 months the Wolves will outnumber the games I've played with my Wolves.

 

JEFF4i anybody who plays Wolves deserves respect, no matter if it was their first army or last :lol:

[Vash113]

...over the next 6 months the Wolves will outnumber the games I've played with my Wolves.

 

Keeping me busy Vash?

 

*headdesk*