Garvi Torgaddon Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I hope I am posting this in the right place. Its my first post. Hi all, I am new to this forum and I consider myself a noob in the world of grim dark 40k. I have been lurking around for a while the forums reading and trying to learn more about the current edition of 40K. I used to play back in the 3rd edition with a chaos army. But I have this love for spacewolves and their lore of mythos and superstitions. I am currently trying to start a new army, and by Russ, the Wolves are my obvious choice! Here's the question this noob would like to post to all the wolf lords here. I love the wolves, and I am also enjoy native american culture and lore. They are pretty much like the wolves I would imagine, feral and strong headed. Deep in superstitions and decked with funky bits like fur pelts, leather and tooth necklaces. Here's a basic intro to my great company thus far... my company recruits their aspirants from a feral moon of fenris itself. The people of this moon are based on the native americans, their cutoms and lore. In their passed down mythos, the sagas of the wolffather and the all father still reigns supreme. One of the aspirants from this planet eventually becomes a wolf lord. He gets into a major disagreement with the great wolf before a major battle but proceeds with the battle. But soon after the battle he and his great company dissappears. After many attempts of the Fang to contact the great company, the great wolf decided to strike them off and raise a new great company. My great company drifts around the universe and and still fights for Russ the wolf father and the emperor. They have repainted their armor to seperate themselves from the Fang only swearing to reinstate their colours during the final battle of the Wolftime. This is just a very simple version from the back of my mind. I will be reading more into rules of DIY chapters and the space wolves. I read somewhere that the Deathwing are based loosely on native americans but the thing is there is no love between me and the sons of the Lion. I just love native american lore and I want to integrate the style and influence into my most favourite Astartes Chapter. All comments, good or bad are welcomes. Thank you. For Russ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I say go for it, dont think fenris has a moon, but it could be a start system nearby where a wolflord that left the fang gets is recruits with premision from the great wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1927176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Sounds awesome man, and welcome to the Fang whelp! Any specific Native American tribe you're going to model after, if any? The Wolves are pretty Nordic, but there are many commonalities between Nordic and Native American cultures, so its entirely plausible. Oh, and what color you gonna paint em? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1927182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Prince Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 And don't forget that the Vikings went to America/Vinland. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1927224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garvi Torgaddon Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Wow the replies came in fast! Thanks guys for the helpful pointers. Border Prince > yeah i think i watched on a documentary that the vikings did reach america long b4 columbus did. There was a even a box office bomb of a movie in regards to that. Pathfinder was the movie I think. A lost nordic viking baby left in the Americas and taken care of a native tribe and becoming their prophecised saviour. Max_Dammit > Yeah if Fenris does not have any moons, I might just use the idea of a wolf lord recruiting from another planet around the same system. I can't imagine Fenris without a moon though. If I'm not wrong some parts of the SpaceWolf novel did have some brief parts about the aspirants spending nights in the forests of Asaheim and they had moonlight as their only source of light or something. A minor description of moonlight to enhance the storyline i think. I'll check it out again. JEFF4i > I have no particular tribe in mind but I might name squads under various tribes. Instead of packs, I will be breaking them up into lodges. So one squad might be Sioux Warriors Lodge, Apache Warriors Lodge etc etc. You guys get the picture :D Part of my own fluff is that their home planet are mountainous like Fenris but less colder though! The mountains are filled with fearsome creatures and the most feared of them all are the great behemoths known as the Spirit Bears. So for the tribes of this world, the most revered creature is the bear. Even so as all native american tribes and culture, being one with nature, learning and understanding through it is a boon. Their tribe shamans sing sagas of magical and legendary creatures like eagles, wolves and other creatures. But the most revered sagas are those of the bears. Thus having that respect for nature and all creatures alike, it was easy for the aspirants coming in from these planets to embrace the ways of the wolf. Here's the great company insignia I created http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3643/3379523897_fda851189c_m.jpg As you can see the bear head seem growling and looking up towards the moon, the bigger moon is their home planet(yet to be named) while the smaller black moon represents Fenris, the home planet of their beloved and revered wolf father russ. Its a smaller moon because it also represents a certain longing to a distant home. Here's a first attempt of how my astartes will look like. Going for a more earthy kinda tone, synonymous with bears and also a style choice after researching all manners of native american garbs. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3379523757_e738a5bb68_o.jpg That's all I have for these guys right now. Still thinking and figuring out some stuff and researching over the internet. I hope you guys like it so far. Thanks for reading and once again C&Cs are most welcomed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1927290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Honestly dude, the amount of thought you've put into all the details, hard not to love it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1927491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Hi, I like the sound of everything except the banner and the bear bit. Space Wolves are based on wolves, and every Space Wolf warrior has an inner wolf - for me, going down the bear route is taking it a little too far away from the chapter and everything its based on. Up until that part I really liked the sound of it though, good luck with it. EDIT: That's just my opinion though, at the end of the day if thats what you want to do then go for it, it does kind of make sense, just for me personally it didn't. The last thing I want to do is put you off doing the GC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1927628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrolleif Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Nice work. I'm looking forward to the finished product. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1927657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Eh, its not die hard fluffy, but who gives an arse? I like it... you might throw this up as an index astartes article like they do on the DIY forum. Nice format, and youve obviously spent alteast the two hour minimum to have a conherent line of thought here. I almost went with a bear totem for my wolves myself :D. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1927776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeffWolf Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 i agree that you shouldnt have the bear - its not...well wolfy? but however building on the viking having reached america way before columbus, maybe have space wolves coloinsing in the horus heresy and creating a small (everything is small compared to the fang lol) base in which aspirants can be trained, munitions are stored, armour and guns can be repaired and perhaps a small sector for all the small vehicles they have to hand. honestly though, if you need any help - i really enjoy history and so id love to help gather some info if youd like. personally though id stick to a shade of blue, keeping in with space wolves but recreate the symbol and mix about with the wolfie icons like beards, pelts etc. Deffwolf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1928592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Don't be too quick to throw the bear away. I like it. Most of the "wolfy" bits on the models could easily be from a bear. Stick with it, that's pretty good fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1928614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeffWolf Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 i was only saying, u r most welcome to have bear bits. i have no say whatsoever unless you choose so if you like bear bits go for it. just having ties to the space wolves might be odd fluffwise but gamewise would be awesome. try creating your own chapter master. for example - the space wolves have extremely strong bonds with their packmates and so the chapter master might be from Logan Grimnar's pack, one of the last few remaining. just a thought. "Snorri Bearclaw/Bodin Sharptooth" - little imaginative names yu may want to think aobut for the several characters you may want to include Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1928667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garvi Torgaddon Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 Thanks for all the ideas and comments. Its of great help. Now I shall go back the the great library of the world wide web to continue my research... and maybe start on some minis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1929675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Remember.... bear-zerker :P. Keep us updated ok man? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1929786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Remember.... bear-zerker ;). Keep us updated ok man? NOT to be confused with "bare-zerker!" ;) Two entirely different things. And we DON'T want any updates with pictures if you decide on the latter. :P Good luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1929798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Wolf Master Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Sounds awesome man, and welcome to the Fang whelp! Any specific Native American tribe you're going to model after, if any? The Wolves are pretty Nordic, but there are many commonalities between Nordic and Native American cultures, so its entirely plausible. Oh, and what color you gonna paint em? I was just about to say that, it would actually work out pretty cool in my opinion. Not to mention there ARE a lot of similarities, nature worship, warrior society, totems, i say go for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1930894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Wolf Master Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Sorry to double post but i just wanted to add this. There are a lot of our brothers who are WAY too fluff orianted. I like to add some customization to my army so i love your idea combining the SWs with a Liber Chapter based on native american culture. I'm actually doing something similar with my company, basing them on the Varangians of the Byzantine Empire. (for those of you who don't know, they were viking mercenaries who served the Emperor of Constantinople.) I think more of our brothers should add their own fluff, because come on, it's a game and do you really want to play with someone who is that anal to detail? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163941-my-own-great-company/#findComment-1932097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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