nexus night Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 hey everyone, seeing that my closest games workshop is 80k's away i decided to vs one of my friends. he owns a nidzilla list and has been playing for way longer then i have. I played a basic 1500pts mech sisters list(flying nun, 4 SISTER SQUADS IN RHINO 2 EXORCISTS and seraphim ,proxying most of the stuff with my old tau stuff) but his freaking aggrofex's ripped apart my tanksand his snipa's killed off what was left. The only good thing that happened was an epic battle between my cannoness and his flyrant (cannoness won :P ). But anyway would it be worth taking 4 multimeltas to melt away his fex's? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163992-nidzilla-lists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 But anyway would it be worth taking 4 multimeltas to melt away his fex's? No, not really. His fast stuff will just intercept the Retributors before they can get in range. A much better option is another Exorcist or a squad of heavy bolter Retributors. With 12 x S5 shots and AP1 on a 6 to wound (which is half of your successful wounds against T6 Carnifex), you can badly maul if not kill outright Carnifex. You'll also badly mash up his Flyrant, not to mention heavy bolters being the bane of Tyranid Troops and things like Warriors and Ravenors (who hate high ROF AP4 shooting). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163992-nidzilla-lists/#findComment-1927944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Darius is right, he'll see the MMs coming a mile away. Another Exo or a load of HB Rets would be better, especially if you can pull off some AP1 against a fex. Even humble bolter SoB with DG bring down fexes too. The trick is to take care of the smaller gribbles long enough to take down the big ones, so having your SoB and Seras burn away the horde leaving your Heavies to take down the fexes. If you use the Rets as the focus of your anti-MC defences and make the most of the mobile Exos you can get some good dakka going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163992-nidzilla-lists/#findComment-1928036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJumppanen Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 HBs are for the small stuff, but in nidzilla list you might as well use them for the big ones too. Anyway, i would say that meltaguns in Troop squads would be a good idea, but concentrate on bolters to provide many as possible 6s for wound rolls so you get much as possible from that DG. Also consider having Seraphims with IPs and evicerators, they tend to do a good job against MCs. I dare to say, that SoB list has beter chances against Nidzilla than most lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163992-nidzilla-lists/#findComment-1928067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredWing Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 HBs are for the small stuff, but in nidzilla list you might as well use them for the big ones too. Anyway, i would say that meltaguns in Troop squads would be a good idea, but concentrate on bolters to provide many as possible 6s for wound rolls so you get much as possible from that DG. Also consider having Seraphims with IPs and evicerators, they tend to do a good job against MCs. I dare to say, that SoB list has beter chances against Nidzilla than most lists. I'd agree, stick a couple of meltas in a couple of squads to give yourself some 2+, AP1 wound dealing capacity. My best piece of advice for dealing with nidzilla is to run 3 exorcists, deploy as far back as you dare and then target the MC's one at a time with the combined firepower of all 3. Don't be tempted to split your fire and only move onto the next target when you've killed the current one. Depending on how he fields his nidzilla there's another option for you as well. If he uses solo tyrants/flyrants then I'd have to say break out the combi crossbow stakers. The first game I fielded these against my usual nid opponent he had no idea what to do against them and ever since this has been one of his biggest fears when facing my sisters. Use the fact that synapse means psyker against him, seriously. Fex are fairly slow and relatively straight forward to tackle, tyrants on the other hand aren't especially if they've got guard. If that is the case whittle the guard down with the exorcists and once you've stripped them away hit the tyrant with the combi stakers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163992-nidzilla-lists/#findComment-1928260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJumppanen Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Actualy, i'm not sure about that "don't split the fire" rule. Considering how much stuff you got going against them, i don't think that there is any reason why not to let EXOs just soften them up. Considering that sisters can finish them off with regular bolter fire by using Divine Guidance, you can select those targets that don't get cover save from woods or whatever. Even if you get into CC with MC, you still have ways to deal with them, specialy if you gave a Evicerator to the VSS. Small exeption: Shoot the flyrant first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163992-nidzilla-lists/#findComment-1928535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredWing Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Actualy, i'm not sure about that "don't split the fire" rule. Considering how much stuff you got going against them, i don't think that there is any reason why not to let EXOs just soften them up. Considering that sisters can finish them off with regular bolter fire by using Divine Guidance, you can select those targets that don't get cover save from woods or whatever. Even if you get into CC with MC, you still have ways to deal with them, specialy if you gave a Evicerator to the VSS. Small exeption: Shoot the flyrant first. Ok. Firstly, Exorcists are there for the long range firing in the first round. To effectively use DG you absolutely need to direct as much fire into a target as possible and so using DG on anything outside rapid fire range should be a last resort. It's a waste of faith. With that being the case my reasoning for not splitting the fire is that every Fex you wound and then leave is still as effective in the shooting phase as if it was operating at full wounds. However, if you kill it you've taken it out of the game and it's one less thing to worry about being shot by. Chances are you'll be able to knock one out with 2 of the 3 exorcists in the first round anyway. The thing to particularly remember is that you want to back away from nids at every possible opportunity to give your girls the maximum amount of shooting opportunity. When it comes to CC against nids the old rule of thumb is the best, stay away from them at all costs and bathe them in fire, regardless of any assault loadout sisters can wield. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163992-nidzilla-lists/#findComment-1928762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Yeah, it's never a good idea to get in combat with Tyranids. With the possible exception of a Canoness+retinue (because she has the ablative wounds packing 3+ invul ie the Priest and Celestian retinue, 2+ invul and 'Mantle' to kill a Tyrant/Carnifex), everything else should be flaming/rapid-firing the Nids to death. Exorcists remain the best anti-MC weapon in the SoB arsenal, although as I said heavy bolter Retributors+'DG' can maul them too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/163992-nidzilla-lists/#findComment-1930296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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