LPetersson Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I agree with you whole heartedly, but is there actually anything in the BRB to say you can't buy a dedicated transport for units that are too big for them? I'm pretty sure that unit doesn't have to start in a dedicated transport... Actually is does state that (not in these words) the unit must fit inside its dedicated transport. You could get around this by walking the WGBL like stated.... but most of these "exploit" units arnt even valid, much less "exploits". Could I trouble you for the page number where it says this? I'm really curious as to what it says and why I've overlooked this... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1930758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 The only thing I can find is the little box on the bottom right of page 67. It states the Only limitation of a dedicated transport is that it when it is deployed it can only carry the squad it was selected with (plus any independant characters). After that it says if you can fit them, and the models have no rules against it, like say TDA, they can carry whatever they want. Though that second part is unneeded for drop pods, theres nothing there that says a squad has to be X number to buy a transport. The only place in the SW codex they have that restriction is bloodclaw rhinos. And since Bloodclaw rhinos cant be used by other units I never take them, ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1931099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 "And since Bloodclaw rhinos cant be used by other units I never take them, ever. " where does it say that ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1931437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Under the bloodclaw entry it states under the heading "transport vehicles". Transport Vehicles: Certain Space Wolve squads can take a Rhino or Razorback as transport vehicle. Details of these vehicles can be found in Codex: Space Marines. Note that only the unit that the only unit that may embark on the transport vehicle is the unit it was bought as an upgrade for, plus any characters that have joined that unit (ie, transport vehicles do not provide a taxi service for the whole army!). Its only found in the bloodclaw special rules, not the box that shows the rules for any other unit in the army. Thus its aparently a bloodclaw special rule. I dont know why, I dont know who, but apparently someone decided that the puppies arent potty trained and no one wants to go in there for a bit after they have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1931448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 looks like someone made a stupid mistake lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1931469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Well actually it was the universal rule about transports back in 3rd ed.... some people have tried to argue that it affects our entire army but its quite clearly in the bloodclaw box... just like OBEL is in the Scouts box. If they want to, Ill gladly Obel a pack of WGBG behind them I say.... and that usually drops the issue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1931474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 XD haha a whole bunch of WGBG OBEL lol thats the most hax thing ever XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1931488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 WRONG that blood claws rule does not work anymore, a blood claw rhino may be used by anyone after it delivers the Blood claws. And why you may ask? well THE 5TH EDITION RULE BOOK OVERRULES ANY PREVIOUSLY STATED RULE and in the rule book there is a section on transports...... read it and get back to me.(page 67) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1931924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Durendal Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Actually Codex trumps rulebook in this case. For all transport / vehicle rules, it says go to the SM codex, with the EXCEPTION of the BC entry which explicity states that only they can be transported in their transports. Ergo, BCs only in BC transports. No way around it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1932024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fang Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 The latest rulebook FAQ clearly states that army specific rules concerning transport vehicles takes precedence over rulebook.... A. No, if a Codex clearly says that dedicatedtransports can only be used during the game by the unit that bought them, that overrules the general rule in the rulebook, as normal. Obviously some armies are stricter than others about transport regulations! page 3 of the rule book FAQ, can be found @ MARCH 2009 RULEBOOK FAQ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1932035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 well the faq i stated said the opposite, where the 5th ed rule book is king, another states go by the newest book. now in either case there is no rule saying you cant buy your grey hunters the rhino deploying the rhino next to the bc's and turn 1 they hop in and go, meanwhile taking a drop pod for the grey hunters as well, but seriously who cares about that taxi rule anyway, i've never played that way and probably never will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1932105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fang Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Under the bloodclaw entry it states under the heading "transport vehicles". Transport Vehicles: Certain Space Wolves squads can take a Rhino or Razorback as transport vehicle. Details of these vehicles can be found in Codex: Space Marines. Note that only the unit that may embark on the transport vehicle is the unit it was bought as an upgrade for, plus any characters that have joined that unit (ie, transport vehicles do not provide a taxi service for the whole army!). The underlined section combined with the stated rulebook FAQ is crystal clear. So I don't know if you have an old FAQ?? but I've just checked the current space Wolf and rulebook FAQ's and the codex and its pretty clear IMO. Long Fang Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1932415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 well the faq i stated said the opposite, where the 5th ed rule book is king, another states go by the newest book.now in either case there is no rule saying you cant buy your grey hunters the rhino deploying the rhino next to the bc's and turn 1 they hop in and go, meanwhile taking a drop pod for the grey hunters as well, but seriously who cares about that taxi rule anyway, i've never played that way and probably never will. Actually there is... a unit can only purchase one dedicated transport at a time. And you and your friends can houserule it anyway you like... no skin off my nose. But the RAW is obsurdly clear- bloodclaws dont get to share their rhinos. Its only a rhino, and its only them since they cant take razorbacks and the GHs dont have this rule, but its very clear. If you want to state this faq, please drop off a link. Otherwise Im going by the one I can download, and by the official positions Im presented with... wich says that codex trumps rulebook. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164114-squad-arrangements/page/2/#findComment-1932524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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