Solax Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 If a DH with Force weapon causes 3 wounds to a Retinue, passes the psychic test to kill out right. Does it kill 3 models outright even if they each have multiple wounds? Example of what happened: Tyrant and two Tyrant guard so you cannot select the Tyrant out of the group. 3 Wounds are caused and the psychic test is passed. Ususally 2 wounds would goto the first guard kill it, then 1 to the second. Friend's interpretation was that since the psychic test was passed each wound would kill out right so first guard dies, second guard dies, then last wound goes to the Tyrant killing it. That was how we played it. DH codex says opponent which is ambiguous then BBB says model... does that matter or? Is this the correct way? edit: I've been thinking about it and i messed up on the part 2 wounds would go to first guard kill it then to second. So one wound would go to each since they were in close combat I think. So one wound for each creature. It says one opponent. That does not count the entire retinue right? So he should be able to use it on one of the three models correct not that each wounded model is slain outright? So it should have worked Tyrant is slain outright while the two guards took 1 wound each... yeah? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164456-force-weapons-and-retinues/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 The force weapon can be used against one opponent that was wounded by the force weapon. Force Weapons as described in the rulebook inflict "instant death", which synapse creatures and all models within their raneg are immune to, but according the Codex Demon hunters the target is simply "slian outright". So it depends on whether you say that the rules from Codex Demon Hunters are outdated or whether you say Codex trumps Rulebook. A generic force weapon would have no effect in a hive tyrant and his guard (other than being a power weapon) while a demon hunter demon weapon inflicting 3 wounds against 1 tyrant and 2 guard would kill the two guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164456-force-weapons-and-retinues/#findComment-1933997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 In your example with the Hive Tyrant, the third wound would have to allocated to the Tyrant, as the Guard have each taken a wound. If he had 3 Tyrant Guard, then he couldn't be touched, but with only two he'll have to take that third wound. A smart DH player would then choose to force-weapon the Tyrant, by picking the wound on the Tyrant to be the one he tests for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164456-force-weapons-and-retinues/#findComment-1934019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rat of vengence Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 That sounds right. RoV Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164456-force-weapons-and-retinues/#findComment-1934044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain_quint Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 so, if my Librarian charges a group of nobz and wounds 3, passes test, only get 1 instapop? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164456-force-weapons-and-retinues/#findComment-1935781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymirl Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 so, if my Librarian charges a group of nobz and wounds 3, passes test, only get 1 instapop? You deal the wounds, the owning player will assign them to models, you can then pick a model that you wounded to finish off with the force abilty. Yes, only one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164456-force-weapons-and-retinues/#findComment-1935802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain_quint Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 dammit.... ah well, one instapop it is then! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164456-force-weapons-and-retinues/#findComment-1935936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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