Crovan Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 My army ADD has brought me around to the Black Templar. I think this one may stick. I took a look at some of the plastic kits available, and decided that the first thing I would work on is making my Emperor's Champ, given that he is the one model I know I will always be fielding. http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/Crovan/EmpyChamp-1.jpg http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/Crovan/empchamp2.jpg http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/Crovan/empchamp3.jpg Bits used: Runefang from the Empire General box Kneeling legs and head from the Space marine command squad box Tabard, backpack, and bolt pistol from the Black Templar upgrade sprue I am not quite happy with the sword atm, as it is a touch crooked, but I would appreciate any feedback on the concept and potential ideas for the right arm. Originally, I wanted to have him with a bowed head and his right fist against his chest as if praying, but couldn't get the look right. At any rate, I'm pretty happy with him atm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnDyzZzoRe Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Before I read the post I was thinking that sword looks a little crooked, but after reading, its good that you noticed it. Apart from that the model looks great, the posture is unique and the flowing tabbard looks awesome! looking forward to seeing some paint Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1936200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Another great use of the kneeling legs! I like this very much, it sits very well with the imagery that the Emperor's Champion conjers up in its look, but here he is at rest, perhaps uttering a prayer to his namesake, or swearing an oath. I think if you very gently bend the runefang forward it'll fix the bendy arm problem without too much hassle. I look forward to seeing how you paint him up. James Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1936682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
youthminister40k Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Hopefully just a little bending of the sword will fix the problem. It doesn't look like it's stuck to the base, I hope you'll be able to do it. The model looks great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1936699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 could you maybe get the arm with the bolt pistol held down by his side, either with the hand flat to the floor or holding a shield (would help convey the knightly feel)... its a lovely idea though and very nicely realised. hope you do it justice on the paint job :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1937151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEmperorsChampion Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I did something similar to this recently, I think a good move might be to actually remove the BP from the hand and have it empty, or clutching a medallion/prayer beads type of thing (or 40k equivalent) with the BP on the ground or holstered. If you'd like to see my take on the idea feel free to check out my WIP Templars but I won't post pics as not to threadjack you. I really like the concept of an EC praying or taking his vow and I think you've done it well. Perhaps to straighten the sword you could cut off a bit of the tip to make it seem plunged into the ground and then lower the arm to straighten. Good luck and continue updating as the idea evolves! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1937486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crovan Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 Thanks for the input, everyone. I fiddled with the sword a bit, and I think it looks straighter. I also made a Marshal based on the AoBR commander. I like some of the ideas for his pistol hand. My current thought is to use the rolled up scroll from the BT upgrades held in a fist. Right now I am trying to decide if that arm would look better at his side or raised to the heavens, along with the appropriate shifting of the angle of his head. I've got to be honest, the BTs have me more inspired than I have been in a long time, so I may fire up a blog as I build them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1937556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEmperorsChampion Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I think clutching the scroll is a great idea. I'd say clutch it in close, kind of where the BP is right now. Like he has just read the vow and and is now affirming it within himself. Righteous anger and what not. If you do start a blog, I think I shall be close behind as I redo my Templars. With Honor, Brother Templar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1937670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crovan Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 New pics up in my new BT blog. Pics for those who don't like blogs :rolleyes:. http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/Crovan/EmpChampScroll1.jpg http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/Crovan/EmpChampScroll2.jpg http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/Crovan/EmpChampScroll3.jpg Also, Marshal WIP pic. http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/Crovan/Marshal1.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1937693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 gratz on the champ, i think it looks better with the scroll than the pistol, looks more like he's recieving a blessing now... and an interesting looking marshal... i'll keep an eye on you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1938013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulson games Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Both of the models look really nice, keep up the good work :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1938208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladvic Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I looooove your Emperor's Champion :lol: Where from comes the sword ? Can you make a tutoriel for this champion ? (please, please ^^) Cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1939174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-relk Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 really loving both these models, the poses are perfect, but the sword and hand is still not right on the champ imo: to me, this is whats wrong hopefully its fairly self explanatory, but basically, the grip, blade, and hand dont line up. easiest way to fix it imo would be to change the sword blade and grips position by moving them back slightly, then lining the blade up to the side of the hand. for this you may have to cut the very tip off the sword so it stands right, but i think this may work to your advantage, as it will look like the end is sort of buried into the ground. thought the amount youd have to cut of would be so tiny that you probably wouldnt notice it anyway. other than that these are really top notch conversions, and i look forward to seeing more :D cheers charles Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1939236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crovan Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 I looooove your Emperor's Champion :) Where from comes the sword ? Can you make a tutoriel for this champion ? (please, please ^^) Cheers The sword comes from the Empire General kit. It also comes with a pretty sweet banner, and I plan to use the horse for my VCs. It's entirely possible you could find that separately. I believe it's called a Runefang. There's honestly not much of a tutorial to be had, since it was mostly the result of looking at my progress and saying "Ok, what do I need to do now?" Basically, it's the kneeling legs, plus a tabard torso from the Templar upgrades. The low end of the tabard hangs below his feet, but I knew I was going to have to elevate him anyway to get his sword to the ground, so I just had to be careful placing him on the rock. The sword arm is from the Command Squad box. It was initially holding a power sword. The arm holding the scroll originally had another power weapon in it, and also came from the command squad sprue. The scroll is from the Black Templar upgrades. I basically just cut out the skull that was binding it together and placed it onto his hand so it would look like he was clenching his fist. The arm holding the scroll is just a bolter arm so that it would be modeled inward toward his body. @g-relk Thanks for the input on the sword. I have been wrestling with whether to have the end in the ground or not, since the Black Sword is supposed to be some sacred relic, but it would definitely make life easier from a modeling perspective. Your illustration on the sword hand is helpful, as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1939418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
youthminister40k Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I really love both models. From the model's left you really can't tell the grip and the blade are not aligned. Hopefully you'll be able to correct it without having to change much. Great job! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1939469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 how difficult was it placing the BT tabard on the commander body from AOBR? your Emp. Champion, I have the same premise. I plan on attempting to have both arms holding a sword or having one pressed against his chest in prayer. Since i am obsessed with beakie heads I am using a beakie head, which will be bowed down in reverence. I think with a beakie head, its much easier to tilt down and make it seem real. but my guy is just going to be a regular veteran marine gonna make it a diorama piece. I can't get over how great both look, they are going to look awesome when your done with them. I think your gaming buddies will be in awe. Honestly. Great thinking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1939477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 the tabard part wouldnt be too hard because the chest has the aobr tabard attatched so you can switch it easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1939488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crovan Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 how difficult was it placing the BT tabard on the commander body from AOBR? Now that I remember it, the BT tabard didn't fit with the AoBR dude's knee. That tabard is actually from the command squad sprue, with the BT torso with the high collar. A bit of cut and paste so that I could reposition the tabard fixed it up. Thanks for the kind words :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1939504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 how difficult was it placing the BT tabard on the commander body from AOBR? Now that I remember it, the BT tabard didn't fit with the AoBR dude's knee. That tabard is actually from the command squad sprue, with the BT torso with the high collar. A bit of cut and paste so that I could reposition the tabard fixed it up. Thanks for the kind words :) ok I see it now, i have both those bits ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1942212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 I think the EC would've looked a little better if he had been bowing his head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164649-wip-emperors-champion/#findComment-1942380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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