JEFF4i Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 My first tournament with Space Wolves. What sucks about it? 2 Troop and HQ Mandatory. :lol: I'm not fielding many units, but I have a good anti-ork/nid list, good shooty list (fielding a pred or long fang pack, depending), and a good melee force. Any tips? Any strong 2Troop/HQ lists you might recommend? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Yeah, I find a Vendread is the best HQ for this, and baring that take a WGBL in TDA with a heavy weapon for the firesupport... youll need it. Follow that with a pair of understrength grey hunter packs... one for CC, one for firesupport. Give the CC pack a rhino for some cover and transport if you need it. Its cheap enough. Hrmm... say: Vendread- AC, EA- 160pts 8 GH- 7 Bolters, Plasmagun- 155pts 7 GH- Meltagun, Powerweaponx2- 146pts. Rhino- 35pts. 496pts ... as a starting idea. Theres also the ever popular min GH and larger BC squad... works decently at low points. WGBL- TDA, AC, FB, RC- 125pts. 12 BC- 3x PF- 204pts 6 GH- 5x Bolter, Plasmarifle- 119pts. Attack bike- Multimelta-50pts. 498pts. If you free up some points you can drop in a razorback insteadof the attack bike.... We only have two troops choices. You have to take a GH squad. So do you like mech, pod or footslogging? Do you prefer to soften up the enemy or just smack them around? Any idea what scenario styles youll be playing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 I prefer winning, :D Annihilation Kill Points. I'm thinking the VenDred one is the way to go. What if I drop podded him in? Do you find him dying early to possibly Krak or whatnot? Thanks guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfside Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 i'd say pod him in - the storm bolter on the pod will be annoying and drop close enough to a squad with low armour and bye bye. the turns afterwards will see the enemy trying to throw everything they have at it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 I find him unsupported if dropped close to the enemy and the drop pod gives up a kill point the next turn. Hes a beast, a godawful beast, but he cant take on 500pts of anything unless its basic gaunts, and then he cant make back his points you know? Killpoints Id probly go with the vendread and footslog it up the board personally, but thats my prefered style. Another option is to take a semikitted wolf priest with Healing potions, a large pack of bloodclaws and a small pack of fire support hunters. Three killpoints, and the WP makes them rather hard to get. My own problem with the lists I can make this way is a general lack of fire support... our troops are pricey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deedark Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 I've had success with Razorbacks in small battles for 5pts over a rhino you add a TL Heavy bolter, I run this for the fire support pack Vdread AC EA GH (6) 5xBG 1xPG Rback TLHB BC (8) 6 BPxCCW 1xPF 1xPW Rhino or Vdread AC EA GH (6) 5xBG 1xPG Rback TLHB GH (6) 3xBG 1xMG 2xPW and BP Rback TLHB Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf PupE Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 We had a 500pt tournament a while back. The tables were halved for the tournament (3x4) I played: Vendread-AssCan+Heavy Flamer+Xtra Armour 8Grey Hunters-1PF+1PW+Meltagun+Frag 8Blood Claws-1PF+1PW 4OBEL Scouts-Frag+1PP+1Meltagun I'm not exactly sure about the numbers in the BCs and GHs, sorry. If the tables are halved a footslogging SW army can be very quick. Take a nice big BC squad to be offensive with the dreadnaught and a GH squad to hold an objective. The dread might not be able to make its points but it can tie up a squad or even two for the entire game and leave your bloodclaws free to wreak havoc in the enemy lines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deedark Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 WGBL FB and SS with 14 BC 2 x PF 1 x PW 1 xFlamer 6 x GH 5 x BG 1 x PG +Rback mmmm charge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickme829 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 ven dred 9 BOLTGN 9GH PW+PS 10 BC PW+PS thats what im using and it's working brilliantly. keep the ven dread to the right of the blood claws and the grey hunters behind the blood claws but leave half of them not behind BC. using this blood claws and dreadnought single handedly destroyed my oppenets DA ezkiel, 2 tactical squads and veterans Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 Seems VenDred Footsloggy is a universal favorite, so that'll be my general "go to" list. I did last Wednesday play 2 500 point matches with a pair of Grey Hunter squads and a Wolf Priest, and it did pretty well. So its my understanding that rhinos and drop pods the turn after the unit is disembarked are kill points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Rhinos and Drop Pods are kill points ONLY if the vehicle is destroyed....(i.e. destroyed results of 5 or 6). The thing with DPs and Rhinos they count as more kill points if destroyed, instead as upgrades to the unit it deployed with. For instance the GH pack is one KP and the Drop Pod or Rhino is another KP. Victory Points are another matter (if immobilized or weapons destroyed results than half of its cost are victory points, fully destroyed, 5 or 6, is worth the full cost) because a Drop Pod is immobilized when it touches down so right there it is worth 1/2 VP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 We're doing kill points. Also, some tables will be city-fight. I'm thinking footsloggyness will all around be best. I've made a shooty foot-sloggy list with a decked out Pred (AC, Hull-SB, Sponson-HBs) which is still cheap, and will be putting out...10 shots, AC being a tank killer if necessary (doubt I'll see much armor 14, if I do, just bring out the power fists). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickme829 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 We're doing kill points. Also, some tables will be city-fight. I'm thinking footsloggyness will all around be best. I've made a shooty foot-sloggy list with a decked out Pred (AC, Hull-SB, Sponson-HBs) which is still cheap, and will be putting out...10 shots, AC being a tank killer if necessary (doubt I'll see much armor 14, if I do, just bring out the power fists). i expect eldar in city battles... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1940926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 We're doing kill points. Also, some tables will be city-fight. I'm thinking footsloggyness will all around be best. I've made a shooty foot-sloggy list with a decked out Pred (AC, Hull-SB, Sponson-HBs) which is still cheap, and will be putting out...10 shots, AC being a tank killer if necessary (doubt I'll see much armor 14, if I do, just bring out the power fists). i expect eldar in city battles... I think there'll only be like one Eldar, maybe two there, of a couple dozen. Not too popular at my shop. Most popular are Guard, Marines (of course), CSM, quite a few Orkz, couple Necron, and some Tau. So it is pretty spread out, excluding the many Marine players. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1941153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Hrmm, well be sure to take a flamer then... flamers are always nice in a cityfight game when you cant nab a whirlwind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1941515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Ven dread all the way. Palying nids he launched a 25 strong brood at my plasma cannon dread to tie it up. Dread killed two forced a leadership test (out of synapse) and they failed he destroyed the unit in a sweeping advance!!! Very angry dreadnought! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1941534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 This is what my list is probably going to be, going into tomorrow... HQ: VenDred Assault Cannon Heavy Flamer Extra Armour Troops: 8 Grey Hunters 1 Power Fist 1 Power Weapon 1 Meltagun True Grit Bolters 9 Blood Claws 1 Power Fist 1 Power Weapon Comes to an even 500 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1942211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickme829 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 melta gun? even though you got fist?take it out and replace ven dread with AC for multi melta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1942220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Venerable Dreadnought kicked butt for me today at 500pts.....crazy people not thinking about vehicles at 500pts =P Keep the AC.....it kicks major butt at 500. Did have one guy bring Meltabombs (although he kinda made a mistake or cheated and said all his army had meltabombs and for some reason it didnt occur to me that that isnt possible). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1942222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 melta gun? even though you got fist?take it out and replace ven dread with AC for multi melta. No freakin way I'm putting Multi-Melta instead of AC. AC is 4 shots BS5 Rending. Yeah yeah, Multi-Melta will kill nearly anything it touches, but the AC will be worth more. That said, I might take the Fist out of the Hunters and put in a Melta on the Blood Claws, since I most likely won't see too much use on the Fist/GH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1942226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickme829 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Venerable Dreadnought kicked butt for me today at 500pts.....crazy people not thinking about vehicles at 500pts =P Keep the AC.....it kicks major butt at 500. Did have one guy bring Meltabombs (although he kinda made a mistake or cheated and said all his army had meltabombs and for some reason it didnt occur to me that that isnt possible). personally i would take the multi melta due to the fact that it owns all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1942228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Venerable Dreadnought kicked butt for me today at 500pts.....crazy people not thinking about vehicles at 500pts =P Keep the AC.....it kicks major butt at 500. Did have one guy bring Meltabombs (although he kinda made a mistake or cheated and said all his army had meltabombs and for some reason it didnt occur to me that that isnt possible). personally i would take the multi melta due to the fact that it owns all. Which is all fine and dandy, but it will only kill 5-7 units the entire game...optimistically. While it is only potential, I'd take that instead in this instance, of the AC taking out 20-28. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1942236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 The Multimelta is great done get me wrong but at that point level there not really any heavy armor....mostly Rhinos from what I saw at my thing today.....or ALOT of troops. So AC is much better for those as it isn't horrible against light armor yet will destroy quite a few troops per shot....and a Heavy Flamer to boot..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1942238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Venerable Dreadnought kicked butt for me today at 500pts.....crazy people not thinking about vehicles at 500pts =P Keep the AC.....it kicks major butt at 500. Did have one guy bring Meltabombs (although he kinda made a mistake or cheated and said all his army had meltabombs and for some reason it didnt occur to me that that isnt possible). personally i would take the multi melta due to the fact that it owns all. Your new. So heres a bit of a rundown, if you can find a hole in my logic then go for it: Assault cannon gets four shots, and at BS5 its likely all of them will hit. This lets it kill horde armies death with its AP 4. It can hunt light tanks with predjudice, since those shots are Str 6. Four shots means that its likely to get two penetrating hits on a rhino style vehicle. It can hunt heavy tanks, as with its rending rules you have a decnt chance at taking out landraiders. In fact the only tank in the game it cant kill outright is the monolith. Its cheap than the multimelta. In turn the multimelta has one shot... meaning it cant take on horde armies. Its only got one shots against vehicles, so when hunting light vehicles your less likely to get a weapon destroyed or tank destroyed result. AP 1 helps, but more dice in hand helps more. It still cant hurt the monolith, and is only better at hunting heavy tanks at short ranges... IE within 12". The vendreads DCCW can take out landraiders at this range. So why take a multimelta when its the only option that makes our venerable dreadnaught more expensive than that of a codex chapter, especially when the assault cannon is better in every field of war? EDIT: @ JEFF4i: Consider taking a bloodclaw in place of that powerfist if your looking at droping it. An extra wound on the field is always nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1942239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickme829 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Venerable Dreadnought kicked butt for me today at 500pts.....crazy people not thinking about vehicles at 500pts =P Keep the AC.....it kicks major butt at 500. Did have one guy bring Meltabombs (although he kinda made a mistake or cheated and said all his army had meltabombs and for some reason it didnt occur to me that that isnt possible). personally i would take the multi melta due to the fact that it owns all. Your new. So heres a bit of a rundown, if you can find a hole in my logic then go for it: Assault cannon gets four shots, and at BS5 its likely all of them will hit. This lets it kill horde armies death with its AP 4. It can hunt light tanks with predjudice, since those shots are Str 6. Four shots means that its likely to get two penetrating hits on a rhino style vehicle. It can hunt heavy tanks, as with its rending rules you have a decnt chance at taking out landraiders. In fact the only tank in the game it cant kill outright is the monolith. Its cheap than the multimelta. In turn the multimelta has one shot... meaning it cant take on horde armies. Its only got one shots against vehicles, so when hunting light vehicles your less likely to get a weapon destroyed or tank destroyed result. AP 1 helps, but more dice in hand helps more. It still cant hurt the monolith, and is only better at hunting heavy tanks at short ranges... IE within 12". The vendreads DCCW can take out landraiders at this range. So why take a multimelta when its the only option that makes our venerable dreadnaught more expensive than that of a codex chapter, especially when the assault cannon is better in every field of war? i aint new... also from my experience multi-melta works better for me. Although the assasult cannon does have rending and stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/164915-500-point-tournament-this-sunday/#findComment-1942242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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