Leto Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 sorry if this is elsewhere, but am i reading this right, if i take a techmarine of any kind and bolster defences so a 4+ cover becomes a 3+ cover then place a unit of scouts with camo cloaks in that cover they have a 2+ cover save? if i am thats a very sneaky and evil tactic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 sorry if this is elsewhere,but am i reading this right, if i take a techmarine of any kind and bolster defences so a 4+ cover becomes a 3+ cover then place a unit of scouts with camo cloaks in that cover they have a 2+ cover save? if i am thats a very sneaky and evil tactic. This is completely legal, but has been around waaaaaay longer than the new Marine codex (look at Eldar Pathfinders - they get +2 to their Cover saves), and even with the new 'dex, it's been around since the first week in my gaming group. EDIT: Why does the title say 2+ Invulnerable, though? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1941627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoleo-Brother marine Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 EDIT: Why does the title say 2+ Invulnerable, though? I would assume the OP put this as a cover save is basically an invulnerable save On another note, my regular opponent uses this trick in almost every game. Deep striking behind the cover, flamers etc all counter it well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1941961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 EDIT: Why does the title say 2+ Invulnerable, though? I would assume the OP put this as a cover save is basically an invulnerable save Which is waaaay wrong. Cover saves and Invulnerable saves are two completely different things. No comparison should be attempted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1942003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoleo-Brother marine Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 QUOTE (Simoleo-Brother marine @ Apr 4 2009, 06:09 PM) QUOTE EDIT: Why does the title say 2+ Invulnerable, though? I would assume the OP put this as a cover save is basically an invulnerable save Which is waaaay wrong. Cover saves and Invulnerable saves are two completely different things. No comparison should be attempted. I would have to disagree with you on some levels here. A cover save can defend against anything an invulnerable save can, as long as the cover is there of course. It's also an additional save, or instead of, so its the same as invulnerable save though. You said no comparison should be attempted, but i couldnt resist :P But before this gets to off topic, as I stated earlier this is legal and can be nasty :D -Simoleo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1942100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleth Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Totally correct, snipers can camp with relative safety of a 2+. And yes Cover saves are similar to invuln, they can both negate things that even armor doesn't have a prayer of stopping. Invul just has less things that negate it than a cover save does, though lately with things like the deamon dex even invul is seeing a reduction in its relative protective power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1942230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I would have to disagree with you on some levels here. A cover save can defend against anything an invulnerable save can, as long as the cover is there of course. It's also an additional save, or instead of, so its the same as invulnerable save though. Nope, the cover save will not be of any help against flame thrower weapons, castellan missiles, dragonfire bolts and various other things, while the invulnerable save could still be taken against those. An invulnerable save would be ignored by a psy cannon, where the cover save would help. Invulnerable saves usually don't go away once combat starts either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1942268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain_quint Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 cover saves wont help in assault either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1942411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymirl Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 I would assume the OP put this as a cover save is basically an invulnerable save. Tell that to a Hell Hound.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1943061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 An invulnerable save would be ignored by a psy cannon, where the cover save would help. Invulnerable saves usually don't go away once combat starts either. Incinerator ignores cover and invul, plus it's AP4 :) heh, Eldar hate that weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1943297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 An invulnerable save would be ignored by a psy cannon, where the cover save would help. Invulnerable saves usually don't go away once combat starts either. Incinerator ignores cover and invul, plus it's AP4 B) heh, Eldar hate that weapon. Yes, we do :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1943311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I do use this technic (sp?) very often and it really pisses some people off. I have a Lysander, buying a Tachmarine soon...1+ Cover Save!!!!!!! ;) Note: I know that you can't actually have a 1+ cover save :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1949555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I do use this technic (sp?) very often and it really pisses some people off. I have a Lysander, buying a Tachmarine soon...1+ Cover Save!!!!!!! You do know that a ruin can only be bolstered once? (C:SM, p. 71) But maybe you meant something else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165026-scouts-with-a-2-invulnerable/#findComment-1949623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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