Void Stalkers Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 in the chaos codex the basic lord has a +5 invulnerable save, and it can be lowered to a +4 if you add the mark of tzeench. but does making him a terminator give him a lower invulnerable save too? say if you have a lord. regular armor. +5 save. add termie armor. Does that give him a +4? and if so wouldn't adding the mark of tzeench give him a +3 save? just a thought Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreachon Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Does the terminator armour entry say it enhances your invulnerable? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1947428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void Stalkers Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 no it just says that there is a +5 invulnerable save...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1947436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Snips Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 You do not get a bonus. If he has power armor or Terminator armor, a lord has a base 5+ invulnerable. Only point to term armor is 2+ to armor save and weapons become a bit cheaper. But you also lose sweeping advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1947440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Humongous Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Nope. Having a 5+ invulnerable save from two different sources does NOT translate into having a 4+ invulnerable... or a 3+, or whatever number you wanna pick out of thin air. And hey, terminator armor for a lord really only costs 10 points; you get 20 points of weapons included with the armor, and can buy most other weapon upgrades at a comparable discount. A 2+ save for 10 points isn't to shabby, even if it does stop you from sweeping and riding in rhinos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1947443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Terminator armour in C:CSM does not grant 5+ invulnerable save at all. So thats one source of inv save on lord/sorcerer (not counting mark of tzeentch). From pure competetive pov, terminator armour is not the right choice. Sorry. Lord is not the right choice anyway. pro: -ability to deep strike -2+ armour save -improved shooting -can shoot after firing that combi-plasma -can shoot with twin bolter con: -cannot take jp/bike/steed -cannot ride rhino -take 2 space in LR -does not get +1 attack when using power weapon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1947466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dràyhèn Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Yeah right...what? Who uses termie lords with huge retinues, in LR's? Or pw lords anyway? Rhinos were never meant to carry any lords. Only real con I see in that list, is the using of any speed boosts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1947474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Terminator armour in C:CSM does not grant 5+ invulnerable save at all. So thats one source of inv save on lord/sorcerer (not counting mark of tzeentch). Huh? Yes it does. As others have said, you lose the attack for a pistol. So only take terminator armor if you are doing double claws or a daemon weapon. And if you do take a daemon weapon, take the cheap combi weapon too since you can fire any of them and still assault. Tbh the main reason to take terminator armor on a lord is because the model is so good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1947487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Terminator armour in C:CSM does not grant 5+ invulnerable save at all. So thats one source of inv save on lord/sorcerer (not counting mark of tzeentch). Huh? Yes it does. Show me the page in new chaos codex. Edit: yeah, p 86. This codex is seriously messed up. Sorry. Edit2: oh, right - it was - 'it dont count as stationary for rapid fire weapons purpose', not lack of 5++. Edit3: All models who can use terminator armour have 5++ save already as their special rules anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1947491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 termie armour always gives a 5+ inv save only so it doesn't overlap unless with MoT which would make it 4+ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1948087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeklos Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 termie armour always gives a 5+ inv save only so it doesn't overlap unless with MoT which would make it 4+ Does it actually SAY in the C:CSM that terminator armour grants an inv. save? Or is that just an assumption based upon past experience? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1950186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cale Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 It does actually mention a 5+ invulnerable save in the Terminator Armour entry on page 86, yes. As has been said, though, the Lord is a dubious pick. The Lord in Terminator Armour is a pretty blatantly bad pick, lacking, as he does, in the rudimentary necessity of a good delivery mechanism. The only way he's remotely worthwhile is coming out of a Land Raider, but no matter how you cut it you'd be better off with a Daemon Prince--or a Sorcerer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1950307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 termie armour always gives a 5+ inv save only so it doesn't overlap unless with MoT which would make it 4+ Does it actually SAY in the C:CSM that terminator armour grants an inv. save? Or is that just an assumption based upon past experience? It say on page 86. Additionaly, all units who have terminator armour or option to take terminator armour, have special rule 'have 5+ invulnerable save'. So they have 5+ invulnerable save twice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1950400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 termie armour always gives a 5+ inv save only so it doesn't overlap unless with MoT which would make it 4+ Does it actually SAY in the C:CSM that terminator armour grants an inv. save? Or is that just an assumption based upon past experience? i suggest you read the codex p.86 or something like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1950705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 termie armour always gives a 5+ inv save only so it doesn't overlap unless with MoT which would make it 4+ Does it actually SAY in the C:CSM that terminator armour grants an inv. save? Or is that just an assumption based upon past experience? It say on page 86. Additionaly, all units who have terminator armour or option to take terminator armour, have special rule 'have 5+ invulnerable save'. So they have 5+ invulnerable save twice. I think the Chaos Terminator unit disagree with you. Just saying :( TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1950860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 termie armour always gives a 5+ inv save only so it doesn't overlap unless with MoT which would make it 4+ Does it actually SAY in the C:CSM that terminator armour grants an inv. save? Or is that just an assumption based upon past experience? It say on page 86. Additionaly, all units who have terminator armour or option to take terminator armour, have special rule 'have 5+ invulnerable save'. So they have 5+ invulnerable save twice. I think the Chaos Terminator unit disagree with you. Just saying :( TDA Well, P.28 disagree with this statement. Just saying :angry: But yeah, P. 94 does not mention it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1950864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 They can have a 5+ invul save 10X, it's still just a 5+. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1950935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 They can have a 5+ invul save 10X, it's still just a 5+. If we manage to subdue the GW, we can give ruling, that Invulnerable saves in C:CSM stacks. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1950973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 They can have a 5+ invul save 10X, it's still just a 5+. As he says because you can only ever take on save, unlike fantasy. But yes they have 2 5+ inv. saves but you can only choose to use one (or a cover or armour saves) per wound caused. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165483-terminator-lord-invulnerable-save/#findComment-1951032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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