WG Vrox Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Ok, so I was assulting with my BC yesturday and it occured to me that since the BP is considered a CCW, that I could if I wish put my 3 BC w/ PW attacks at int 4 by using the BP as a CCW. Let's not debate on why you would want to do this, but I am sure come of you can see there are times it would be advantagious. WG Vrox. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I personally would say you could, as long as you declare that it's not the power fist and its regular attacks. But that's just me. I just don't really see anything wrong with it, as long as you declare before hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Yes you can say that you won't use the Powerfist (which makes it a close combat weapon i guess and grants you 4 Attacks on charge) And it may prove advantage full against Tau armie (Kroot don't have a Save just a hint) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Well if you take the Powerfist at all you don't get the extra attack even if you use the Bolt Pistol so a Blood Claw would only get the 3 attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 i'd say you could (much like ultrsmurf head honcho calgar can use his powersword instead of his powerfists) although, as you said there are few times when i would... unless against gaunts or kroot where i REALLY needed to thin down the number of incoming attacks... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 No. In 4th edition you could. In 5th, if you have a special ccw, you have to use it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Where does it say that? Reference? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Where does it say that? Reference? The Big rule book page for special close combat weapons. The only way to not use a special close combat weapon is if you have 2 different special close combat weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 BRB page 42 under 'Fighting with two single handed weapons' the section for 'A normal and a special weapon' it clearly states the bonuses of the specail weapon apply to all attacks... including the bonus attack... so even if you declare that you don't use the power fist you still hit with S8 I1 ignoring armour saves. *EDIT* Hmm james beat me to it.. perhaps I should be more breif in my posts :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I am looking but it doesn't say you must use the special weapon. It doesn't say one way or the other so I would ask your opponent or tourney organizer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 No it doesn't say you must use the special weapon, but it does say that all attacks have the bonuses from the special weapons... and since its only a single powerfist you'll not get the bonus attack, but all attacks will be at S8 I1 due to the bonus from the fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 fair enough... haven't read through the big book in ages... nothing to stop you agreeing with your friends to house rule it that you don't have to... remember the rules are there as guidelines and are fully changeable so if you want to house rule it hat way then thats down to you, just make sure you don't expect to use your houserules in any tournaments without prior permission. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 i agree with Mal. if you have a pistol and a power fist you count as having the power fist in combat. i remember back in the day when one could actually "turn off" the power fist and attack at their normal initiative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 "Big Rule Book" I've been wondering what BRB meant. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 "Big Rule Book" I've been wondering what BRB meant. :) lol... yeah i kinda get confused with all the random abbreviations you find online... was playing warhammer online a while ago and it was only few months after i started palying that my mate informed me that ;inc' meant incoming, not incredibel and 'omw' meant on my way and not oh my word :) still... i generally prefer when people use 'proper' terms as it leads to elss confusion but hey :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yes, theres nothing saying you have to use a particular close combat weapon if you dont want to.... so you could use the bolt pistols "special rules" instead of the powerfists. Enjoy! Its really only for that once in a while thing where ifyou dont kill them all at I 4 your going to be slaughtered... possibly against say orks, if you think the extra few attacks will keep his powerclaws from swinging. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1952760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 You may want to go back and read that page I quoted again, it states you cannot use the pistols special rules in combat, it just counts as a regular CCW, so it has NO special rules, but you are still required to use the powerfists special rules even if you don't want to use it... Sorry mate, there is no getting out of this one. In 5th edition if you have a single specail ccw and another ccw you MUST use the specail weapons rules for ALL combat attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1953277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 You mean the same page that implies you could use a lightning claw and thunderhammer to get a rerolling to wound str 8 attack that ignores armor saves and stuns things? *sighs* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1953615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Look again at multipul different specail weapons, thats the only time you have to choose which you want to do... you either get rerolling wounds or you get S8 stunning, it also points out that in that case you can never get the bonus attack for multipul weaponry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1953632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Alright, Ill do that when I get home again... it has been a few months. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1953640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Heh, don't worry about it mate, the only reason I was even remotely familiar with the wording in 5th edition was because i've had to look it up a few times recently <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1953662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Mal's accurate. If you really wanted to do some hijinks involving shifting initiatives, you could always just give them a Power Fist (or T Hammer) and a Power Weapon (or F Blade)... I used to do that with my 13th Co characters that were Wulfen Marked. 4-5+d3 attacks that either struck at initiative (if I could go first/simo) or were double strength (if I were going second anyway) and all powered? Yes please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1953666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 Yeah in 4th I would do a HQ with a PF and FB on a Bike, not that you can't do it now just looses the cool factor with the -1 attack. And now with the 3+ invol save on SS, the TH and SS is my new standard. WG Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1953750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 "Big Rule Book" I've been wondering what BRB meant. :rolleyes: Grimfoe, Actually, I believe the BRB stands for "Big Red Book": http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1610184_60040199020_40kRulebookMain_445x319.jpg. In 4th edition it was always called the BBB (Big Blue Book): http://www.scifigenre.com/beta/itemImages/Alliance_Games/GAW/049584904362.jpg and in 3rd edition it was also the BBB (Big Black Book): http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/tq/70/90185570.jpg Inquiring minds might want to know, Regards, Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1953784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 da fings we learn 'ere ey val :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165846-power-fist-bolt-pistol/#findComment-1954084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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