Astalon Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 How did the primarchs first use power armour? did they require black carapace surgery or did they grow up with it already? One would imagine they'd question why they had bits sticking out of their skin even more than their other abilities as it would seem to serve a function they did not know about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyp100 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I think they wore power armour, but they were so big they didn't need a black carapace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-chaplain Astador Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 ^Yup I assume They wore it similar to how medievil knights wore their armour, except a primarch was so massively strong, they could take the weight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaji Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Didn't the Lion say something about changes to his body in Descent of Angels? I don't remember.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyp100 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 MAYBE, they don't wear power armour, but instead have some kinda of iron halo built into there normal armour? There are so many possibilities, personally I like my other one, or this one. ALSO, if the black carapace is made from one of the Primarchs DNA, does that mean they already have the DNA to wear the armour without edits? xD I mean, maybe they just get the ability in puberty! :P OMG, Primarch puberty, imagine how annoyed you would have to be looking after an 7-8 foot raging teenager. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 It seems that a Primarch's body is dissimilar to that of an Astartes to a huge degree. The primarch's biology was as far beyond that of a normal Astartes warrior as his own was from a mortal man and Vaddon knew he was out of his depth.Only the Emperor himself had the knowledge to delve into the body of a primarch with confidence, and the enormity of what was occurring was not lost on him. "We're like children trying to repair a logic engine that's been dropped from orbit. We don't understand even a fraction of what his body is capable of or how it works. I can't even begin to guess what kind of damage it's suffered to have caused this. However, it may work on similar principles. "Damn it," cursed Vaddon. "Get me more Larraman serum, his blood won't clot..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 tricky but maybe primarchs didn't need black carapaces to function with their armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrvat Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Considering carapace is one of the zygotes the did have it. After all it is not something you would see because it is under the skin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Considering carapace is one of the zygotes the did have it. After all it is not something you would see because it is under the skin. it is in one of the short stories in tales of heresy that the black carapace is in fact visible in some areas. if you remove the backpack it can be seen according to Sor Talgron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSion Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 i always thought it was more similar to Dyp's second idea, are they even wearing power armour? and as for the black carapace thing, the primarchs were used as a template, so they wouldnt necessarily have all the bits that a marine has due to the extra bits that were probably needed to convert normal humans into marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempronius Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Maybe the Primarchs did have the carapace, but they assumed it was something all humans had. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 IIRC the black carapace is a non-organic plastic-sheet thingy... Or at least it was RT/2nd ed time. But the primarchs probably didnt have it as it only really became neccesary for MK3 armour (i think - the one with the turnable helmet anyway) as thats when the ad mech began to get better with their neuro link systems enough to use them within power armour... So, the primarchs probably had custom armour built that didnt need a black carapace to function. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyp100 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 ALSO, how does power armour even work with them? I think it mentions them wearing Terminator armour sometimes, but apparently you have to be small to fit in there, (Since it was joked Abaddon was too big to fit in one) so do they have it custom made with bigger parts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-chaplain Astador Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yes, of course the primarchs would have undoubtably had custom made armour, weapons, and whatever else. You dont have to be small to fit into Terminator armour at all, infact its the opposite, Terminator armour is much larger than regualar marine armour, Sergant Pasanius of the Ultramarines had to have converted terminator armour in use with his power armour because he was too large for normal power armour. It was simply a testimat to Abaddons size to say that he was too big for even Terminator Armour. (he wasnt actulllay too big for it, he was just huge, even for a marine) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I guess some might have it but others not, Example: Magnus clearly doesn't wear PA (it doesn't look that way) so i guess he didn't have it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1952994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 ALSO, how does power armour even work with them? I think it mentions them wearing Terminator armour sometimes, but apparently you have to be small to fit in there, (Since it was joked Abaddon was too big to fit in one) so do they have it custom made with bigger parts? The Black Carapace is in fact not necessary to use Power Armour. It only enhances your ability to use it making it like a second layer of skin. This is evident in the fact that Sisters of Battle don't have it and they use their Power Armour perfectly fine. TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1953020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 :D i can't believe we didn't notice the SOBs :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1953029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-chaplain Astador Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I assumed people would have known also because of the Inquisitors that wear it Sistors of battle power armour is not the same as SM power armour though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1953033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reptar Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I don't think the Primarchs really need to wear it. In "False Gods", there are a few sections where it is discussed how different a Primarch's body is compared to a normal member of the Astartes. I think because of the fact that they are sort of a "pure" form of what a Space Marine should be, then they aren't required to wear the black carapace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1953206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 My God, the Black Carapace is the neural uplink tot heir armor. It's what makes them and their armor so in-sync. Sisters don't have it, so their armor is merely powered, a Space Marine's armor is integrated, thats what makes it so superior to other types of power armor. If a Primarch needed to be integrated with his armor, as TDA requires, he would have to have the uplinks installed on his body somewhere. Horus had a tube going up his nose! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1953214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantDaKiller Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I would have thought they didn't need it as they don't really wear power armour, but a really fancy and hi-tech suit of armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1953234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Brother-chaplain Astador Posted Today, 02:38 PM Yes, of course the primarchs would have undoubtably had custom made armour, weapons, and whatever else. Indeed, Vulkan, Ferrus and Fulgrim have all been revealed to have made some themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1953327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castus Xanthis Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 The Black Carapace was an organic component grown and implanted to allow a marine to interface with his armor. The primarches would most certainly have had them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1953351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razrhaghul Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Primarchs had custom made armors, and weapons, but given their superior physiology, i'd imagine that they would have certain nerve receptors that normal humans wouldn't have had naturally. i mean they were genetically-manufactured, perhaps this was taken into account during the drawing board stage. i also like to think of them without power-assisted armor, rather artificer armor that moves more fluidly with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1953468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forgeman Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 While the Black Carapace is directly connected to a marine's nervous system and organs the Black Carapace itself is only compatible with space marine power armour after further surgery. After several months the carapace will have fully matured and the and the recipient is then fitted with neural sensors and transfusion points cut into the hardened carapace. These artificial 'plug-in' points mesh with systems integral to the powered armour... Index Astartes Page 5 Since all of the space marine implants are cultured from the genetic material of the Primarchs it seems likely that a Primarch would merely have needed these artifical connections and then he too would have been able to use powered armour in the same way as ordinary space marines. While the Primarchs have all and more of the abilities of a space marine, as conferred to him by his implants, the Primarchs have these abilities naturally. In that case a Primarch wouldn't probably have a Black Carapace as it appears in ordianry marines but they did/do have the benefits of a Black Carapace just minus all the mechanical parts which get implanted into anyway that wears a form of powered armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165858-primarchs-black-carapace/#findComment-1953676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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