Sicarius in a tourney

[ShinyRhino]

Hello all,

I've got a list that uses Sicarius for an upcoming tournament. Obviously, tourneys are fixed-list affairs. However, does the application of Sicarius's tactical squad-boosting rule count as list-building?

In other words, can I change which squad and which ability is granted between games of a tourney, or not?

[Kurasuke]

I'd say that you should clear it up with the tournament organizers.

[JamesI]

My opinion is you should be able to switch the squad and skill each game. But, it is a good idea to make sure the tournament organizer agrees.

[Praeger]

Most places would play it like the Whirlwind where you picked before each game (which also meant before deployment and any rolls, but after finding out who your opponent is) - but as mentioned, discuss with the organizer before hand.

[Thaylen]

This may be slightly off topic, but the Whirlwind has both missile types.

 

Quote: pg 79 C:SM

Whirlwind Multiple Missile Launcher: Each Whirlwind in you army is equipped with the standard vengeance missiles and the incendiary castellan missiles. Decide which type of missile you wish to use before the whirlwind fires.

End Quote

 

But the point does stand. You should check with the tourney organizer.

[blood_raven_240]

I'd argue that he should be able to switch which Squad he's giving a Special Rule to, and which Special Rule he's giving. The only people that will be able to answer your question, however, are the Tournament Orgainisers :lol:

[Thantoes]

This may be slightly off topic, but the Whirlwind has both missile types.

 

I suspect he was talking about the whirlwind under 4th editon where you had to choose one or the other missile types before deployment.

[Praeger]

Yep thats right - sorry should have made that a bit clearer - was using the 4th edition Marine Codex Whirlwind as an example of how I know tournaments have dealt with these types of problems.

[ShinyRhino]

Thanks all. I'll put a note out to the organizer.

[ShinyRhino]

Organizer said it should fly that you can swap, since there's GW precedence there (something about WHFB).

However, one of the other players at the shop (Ming, here at B&C) pointed out that if you can do that, could you not also swap Libby powers each round? They are now 0-cost selections.

[General Retreat]

I can't find any rules on that either way, or for Sicarious. Under Librarian on pg 133 C:SM it states "A Librarian has any two of the following powers: ..."

 

Under Sicarious's Battle-forged Heroes pg 85 it just states "One Tactical squad in an army that includes Sicarius can have one of the following special rules at no extra cost."

 

Neither actually give indication of when it occurs, but for some reason, I had it in my head that Sicarious' skill was assigned during deployment and could be changed from game to game, and the Librarian's powers would be picked and set for a tournament list. I'd like to know what the real rules people think about this one, because I may have been playing it wrong in my pick-up games. Just never thought about it before....

[nighthawks]

I feel that there is no wrong or right answer to these questions - like it has been said, discuss with the organizer and use their rules. at home / in club decide for yourselves, and in a pickup game it shouldn't matter.

[ShinyRhino]

I got an email back from the GW rules email people. The answer I received was that you can select BOTH at the beginning of each round. So, you can swap squads and/or abilities every round.

I didn't ask about Librarians though.

[Brother Gothard]

Taking an even-handed look at this, I really do not see why this should be a problem. Since there is no RAW way to look at it (as its not even vaguely hinted at), here's a RAI/Fluff approach.

 

There is provided a list of powers and skills that Librarians/Sicarius may select or confer upon units. We can therefore reasonably infer, since they have a choice of any of them, that they know - or could know all of them. Obviously, you would not confer tank hunters upon a unit if you expected to fight hordes of Orks, nor would you infiltrate against Tyranids, and the same for the psychic powers, etc. They are therefore not only fluff-wise situational, but also in game terms for list building situational.

 

I thus view that the utility of being able to switch in and out is folded into the points cost of the character - the skills and powers are free because they are already paid for - they are all already paid for, but you may only use one (or two) at a time per game.

 

So anyway, you just tell those Tournament organizers and all your opponents that Brother Gothard said it was okay. My word is accepted everywhere, much like Visa.

[shatter]

Seems rather straight forward to me. Sic' gets to choose which unit to target his power on, a libby gets to choose which unit to use his psychic powers on.

Sic's doesn't get to choose to have different powers, as gothard says, "the skills and powers are free because they are (all) already paid for". The libby paid for a specific subset.