Fausto2071 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 is it at all possible, that being trapped for so long in there that the primarch could be horribly mutated like the wulfen? A daemon prince practically? what do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Not likely. All the Primarchs that are daemon princes chose to be so. Leman is just kickin butt along the way and keeping true to his vows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Wulfen aren't mutants in the 'traditional' sense. 'Normal" mutations are caused by evolution/genetic deviation or the intervention of the Chaos powers whilst the Curse is a by-product of the SW's gene seed. Beyond the exceptional circumstances of Madox's hugely elaborate spell in Wolf's Honour, the Curse can manifest anywhere and susceptibility to it does not increase due to proximity of the Immaterium. Members of 13th Company described in C:EOT and Wolf's Honour do not suffer from mutations but, as one would expect, after 10,000 years or so, some have fallen to the Curse and now fight as Wulfen. So, in my opinion, no, he will return in the same condition as he left but minus a few bits of kit he's left around the place and which has since been recovered: His spear, armour etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 His spear never left with him. He left the old pigsticker on Garm as part of a vow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Me, I like to think that this is Russ. Not a Wulfen, but something beyond... to take a bit from D&D (god, it's so useful. What did I do before I started playing?) I think he'll be more of the Primal Beast. The great amalgamation of fangs, fur, and claws that all beasts are but mere shadows of. Basically, he'll come back a really kickass Werewolf of DOOOM! http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3511/3182226847_aa5a263d7a.jpg?v=0 Let's say Wulfen is #2 at the bottom, Wulf Guard/Lord is #3, Russ is the last one, and that's his size compared to the rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fausto2071 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 that would be pretty badass Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Hes the cloth wrapped stranger whos leading the 13nth company. Hes now talking with logain grimnar and catching up on the last 10 thousand years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Hes the cloth wrapped stranger whos leading the 13nth company. Hes now talking with logain grimnar and catching up on the last 10 thousand years. boy i hope not! he is going to be one pissed primarch!!! i wonder how quickly the Inquisition can muster a force against fenris??? not fast enough me thinks. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Feh, if they even tried to come near Fenris and its system... *adopts Cornholio voice* yeah! yeah! FIRE!!!!! :blink: And those few fools that manage to reach the blessed soil of our home will be met personally by me and DB. We'll introduce those =][= pigs to Mrs. Exterminatussock and Mr. Ragnaroksock... Between the two of us, we oughta be able to hold off the invasion fleet. You lot can mop up the rest in space. Never quite liked the idea of space travel meself. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Hey leave some for young pups like me ! lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Eh I sincerely doubt that if a Primarch came forth and said "Excuse me, mister high lord... move over" theyd do much about it... or could once his identity was confirmed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 i dunno, i see any challange to the High Lords not going easy... especially if they declare russ a traitor. my friends and i have debated this, and we all agree on the same answer. regardless of who wins, the imperium would shattered. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalmoxis Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I wonder if any of the other more unorthodox chapters would assist the Space Wolves if any altercation between them and the High Lords occurred... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 from the debate, it would be many of the first founding chapters (and their immediate offshots) rallying to russ, whereas the more recent chapters stay loyal to the imperium. russ's return would have effects on both the navigators and mechanicus. the guard would favor russ , due to his being awesome and not wasteful of lives, and the reputation the Space Wolves have to the common man of the Imperium. the big decider, and i hate to say this, is where the ultramarines would go. they have enormous authority and repect of both space marines and normal imperial citizens. the Inquistion would largely fall in line with the High Lords, but i can see a small amount of them breaking to Russ (say no more than 25%). this would leave the high lords with the "loyal" mechanicus, inquisition, guard and space marines. the Custodes themselves could end the matter quickly by meeting Russ. they could verfy russ for who he is and remoive the HIgh Lords on one swipe. or so my groups says. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother-sargent-jacob Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I would tend to think, if Russ did show back up a larger majority of the chapters would side with the wolves than one would think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Including the ultramarines. I dont care for them personally, but the two are brothers... not close brothers but still. You know russ would do what he could for his stasified sibling and the emperor. I think the biggest thing would be ascertaining that hed remained untainted after all this time. A few inquisitors, the custodes, and some rune priests later and hed have his seat on the High lords council. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 add to the broth that a lot of chapters would take issue with "the space wolves" being called traitors and would take it as a afront to the astartes as a whole the bonds to the primarchs are at the core of astartes faith as it were but you all presume that russ would want to take control of the imperium thats just not his style hes a combat leader like dorn in that regard on a side note could the union of the two socks not destroy the bonds of reality if unleashed at the same time :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1953945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 A quick read through the Soul Drinkers series shows how other Legions/organs of the Imperium might react... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1954166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Wolf Lord Kieran Posted Today, 05:05 AM i dunno, i see any challange to the High Lords not going easy... especially if they declare russ a traitor. Actually, any returning Loyalist Primarch still has the right to be heard in the High Lords. Sort of a second job, so to speak. ;) Besides, the Inquisition won't be judging whether he's corrupted or not. That would be left to the incorruptibles, the Grey Knights. If they say he's untainted, not even the High Lords can challenge that finding. Then they have to let him join in their debates. :P Carnage will no doubt ensue. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1954180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Wolf Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Ha! I could only imagine blessed Russ having a 'friendly' debate with the High Lords. I don't think it would end with a friendly eating and drinking competition. :P Carnage would most un-doubtedly ensue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1954218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fausto2071 Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 I like how this went from whether he could be mutated by the warp to how his meeting with the high lords will end up lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1954321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demogerg Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Hes the cloth wrapped stranger whos leading the 13nth company. Hes now talking with logain grimnar and catching up on the last 10 thousand years. I actually like that idea a lot. maybe he was not able to find what he was looking for to decide the fate of the Emperor, so he does not want to reveal himself, but he wanted to "check in" with his sons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1955518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Whether we like to admit it or not If Russ did ever come back he would be declared traiter and shut away in a lab for the rest of his days. The High Lords would not back him, Hell other SM chapters would not back him. How can they be sure he is Russ. They have no loyalty to him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1955719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeffWolf Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 why would russ wnt to plant his hairy ass on the high lord council anyways? most other marine chapters would back him, AND if he did come back most likely hed go and give that medicine thingy from the tree of life to the emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1955730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kil78 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 You are forgetting that russ left on a mission, to find a cure for the Emperor, Russ would not return with a vow unfufilled, so russ coming back means you get the big E back as well, possibly other loyal primarchs as well, if it was in his power he would not leave guilliman or johnson to rot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/165921-leman-russ-and-the-warp/#findComment-1955790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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