Fausto2071 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 tell me everything about them, I can only find small tidbits about them~would they follow witch hunter rules? has anyone made one before? what was their role in the heresy? are they still around? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Search this forum for "Sisters of Silence". To summarize though-- after the Horus Heresy, we know next to nothing about them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1955976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Anonymous Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Other than that they're the ones who run the black ships, since they can pretty much lock down any psykers on board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1956004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fausto2071 Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 the black ships? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1956093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 the black ships? They fly (do you fly in space?) around the Imperium collecting psykers to feed to the Emperor. However I thought it was conjecture that the sisters of silence crewed the ships, I didn't think we knew for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1956101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glayvin34 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Yeah, Sisters of Silence on the Black Ships is conjecture. The Lexicanum entry on the Sisters of Silence only cites 2 sources, Flight of the Eisenstein and Horus Heresy: Collected Visions. So there's nothing about them in M41, just during Heresy times. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1956103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Its conjecture no more, since the Tales of Heresy book shows it clearly. And the HH books are canon now - so it's not conjecture even considering those 2 sources. We can easily assume that they still do this role, unless another facts come up showing that something about it changed from the heresy days until the 41st millennium. Crossing it with some other tidbits about Black Ships, I think it's something like this: pre-heresy/heresy: SoS do all the guard inside the Black Ships 41st millennium: SoBs and/or ISTs do the guard, while SoS are positioned in strategic locations throughout the ship to isolate the psyker's powers. But THIS is conjecture :tu: To the original poster: read the tale "The Voice" in the Tales of Heresy book. I believe it's the only piece of literature in 40K completely dedicated to them - I'm even looking foward doing some 500pts of them ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1956813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 What he meant is that it's conjecture that the Sisters still man the Blackships in the 41st millenium - Tales of Heresy doesn't change that. Personally I can't help but think they're no longer around - if they were why haven't they been mentioned? They've been part of the canon for a while now and in that time there have been quite a few things dealing with the Blackships but no mention of the SoS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1956872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 which is my belief as well. They're not mentioned at all beyond the horus heresy. I'm thinking they were either disbanded (perhaps to start the Culexis temple?) or just slowly died out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1956912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I'm thinking they were either disbanded (perhaps to start the Culexis temple?) or just slowly died out. On that note, in the old Codex: Assassins there is a story that the Imperium at one time collected pariahs and transported them to Terra aboard the Blackships, however such a large number of pariahs in one place began to cast a 'shadow' in the warp which threatened to block out the astronomicon. The High Lords made moves to outlaw pariahs and the Inquisition was given the task of exterminating them, however before the decree was made official the AdMech announced it was closing down its investigations into pariahs and the ones collected so far were exterminated (however secretly some were saved and used by the Officio Assassinorum). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1956985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor =D= Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I'm thinking they were either disbanded (perhaps to start the Culexis temple?) or just slowly died out. On that note, in the old Codex: Assassins there is a story that the Imperium at one time collected pariahs and transported them to Terra aboard the Blackships, however such a large number of pariahs in one place began to cast a 'shadow' in the warp which threatened to block out the astronomicon. The High Lords made moves to outlaw pariahs and the Inquisition was given the task of exterminating them, however before the decree was made official the AdMech announced it was closing down its investigations into pariahs and the ones collected so far were exterminated (however secretly some were saved and used by the Officio Assassinorum). Makes sense to me. However, if you wanted to have some fun with it there was always Eisenhorn's "Untouchables". Though they were more a =][= bodyguard program than military force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 However, if you wanted to have some fun with it there was always Eisenhorn's "Untouchables". Though they were more a =][= bodyguard program than military force. Yes, there's certainly nothing stopping someone saying that their Inquisitor has recruited and trained a cadre of untouchables, and has equipped them in the manner of an ancient sisterhood who once served the Imperium. So even if you don't believe they still exist, it's still easy to justify converting some SoS models for your army. (And if you do believe they still exist, then you don't have a problem in the first place.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glayvin34 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Its conjecture no more, since the Tales of Heresy book shows it clearly. To the original poster: read the tale "The Voice" in the Tales of Heresy book. I believe it's the only piece of literature in 40K completely dedicated to them - I'm even looking foward doing some 500pts of them ;) I just started it and I'm still reading the one about the Custodes- guess I'll have to skip forward a little. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Considering how little is know about the Black Ships, they can easily still be there. And the Dark Heresy corebook mention them as existing in that role during the 41st millennium, and it's chamber militant of the minor inquisition ordos responsible for the Black Ships. It's makes sense, since the psyker threat is such a risky issue for the safety of the Imperium, that =I= is involved in such procedures. And remember: ANY actual publication that doesn't go against studio material is considered canon by the GW rules, as several mentioned here in the forums. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 And the Dark Heresy corebook mention them as existing in that role during the 41st millennium, and it's chamber militant of the minor inquisition ordos responsible for the Black Ships.Does it? Have you got a page reference so I can look it up for myself? There is mention of a minor Ordo dealing with the Blackships, but (unless you've seen something I haven't) there's no mention of the Sisters of Silence in the 41st millenium. It's makes sense, since the psyker threat is such a risky issue for the safety of the Imperium, that =I= is involved in such procedures. Dark Heresy does mention the role the Inquisition play in running the Blackships, but it's well esablished that the Blackships of the League are crewed by both Inquisition and Adeptus Astra Telepathica personnel. The only guards mentioned on the Blackships in the 41st millenium are Inquisitorial Stormtroopers and Sisters of Battle. And remember: ANY actual publication that doesn't go against studio material is considered canon by the GW rules, as several mentioned here in the forums.Actually, the official position is that all material published by GW and its subsidiaries and licencees is canon, but that it's not necessarily true - it may contain myths, half truths and lies. The same goes for codices and other material produced by the studio themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 And according to George Mann, Black Library books are not as canon, as they do not have to be held to a very high standard, when compared to the official house books-- such as Codices and Rulebooks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 And according to George Mann, Black Library books are not as canon, as they do not have to be held to a very high standard, when compared to the official house books-- such as Codices and Rulebooks.I assume you're talking about the from George that precinctomega posted after the AGM? Bear in mind that that conversation Robey was having with George Mann was Robey as an author attempting to get BL to commission him to write a novel after his success in the Planetkill competition. George reportedly said 'only the Studio material ... was canonical in that is HAD to be adhered-to in the plots and background of the novels' - he's referring to the canonicity of the material as regards the writers, not the readers. In other words, the writers must attempt (unless told otherwise by the studio) to stick to the 'facts' given in the rulebooks, codexes etc, but they aren't expected to have read all of the Black Library novels and to not contradict them in any way. However, once published, the novels are just as canonical as everything else (and therefore just as likely to be be full of half-truths and lies and the rulebooks and codices). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Certainly one way of interpreting the statement I suppose-- but I still hold the rulebook and codices as far more reputable than any black library book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Certainly one way of interpreting the statement I suppose-- but I still hold the rulebook and codices as far more reputable than any black library book.Having talked to Robey about it, I believe it's the correct way to interpret the statement (I admit I could be wrong as I wasn't there). However, according to statements posted by Marc Gascoingne and the BL FAQ, it's all canon but not necessarily true. You're free to believe that stuff in the rulebook and codices is more truthful - but that isn't the official line (although it is one that a lot of people stick to). I really the official line, it makes it a far more interesting universe (IMHO) if we have to sift through the evidence and make a judgement about what we believe to be the truth, in a similar way to a historian trying to determine the truth about events by examining documents, eye-witness accounts etc. The 'truth' about even recent events is practically impossible to determine as almost everything is skewed in some way by the mindset of the preson who recorded it and that seems to me to be the best way to treat the 40k canon too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldarian Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 If the SoS were crewing all black ships than the first action plot of one of my favourite books Faith and Fire would be somewhat redundant, that and the fact that the witch hunters codex says the sisters of battle act as wardens on the black ships (pg11 3rd last line under chamber militant headline) if the SoS were still in force on the ships there really would be no need i would have thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glayvin34 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 You're free to believe that stuff in the rulebook and codices is more truthful - but that isn't the official line (although it is one that a lot of people stick to). I agree. No codex will ever mention the Soul Drinkers, but they are still canon. The groups I game with tend to see the codices as containing meta-facts that can only be contradicted by the next codex, while the novels contain some guy's version of events. So novels could be outright lies, misinterpretations or pure fact. If the SoS were crewing all black ships than the first action plot of one of my favourite books Faith and Fire would be somewhat redundant, that and the fact that the witch hunters codex says the sisters of battle act as wardens on the black ships (pg11 3rd last line under chamber militant headline) if the SoS were still in force on the ships there really would be no need i would have thought. In one of the Ravenor books a daemon is able to (over time) break through a blank's psychic nullness, which makes the unfortunate blank no longer a blank. So SoS wouldn't be the end-all to issues with uncontrolled psykers, powerful daemons can still affect them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 So SoS wouldn't be the end-all to issues with uncontrolled psykers, powerful daemons can still affect them.True, and it's not just daemons, but psykers too. The Assignment scale also covers Untouchables/blunts/pariahs; basically any rating below pi and down to omega is an individual who is blunt or untouchable to some degree. A relatively weak untouchable might still be affected by a strong psychic attack. We also know that the untouchable effect can manifests in different ways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1957878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Certainly one way of interpreting the statement I suppose-- but I still hold the rulebook and codices as far more reputable than any black library book. Except I think the Horus Heresy books are 100% authority on the time. So perhaps this is an exception to the rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1958178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodwynDi Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 From a rules standpoint, it is entirely possible that the SoS have been incorporated into the SoB. It would help explain why every SoB unit gets 33% chance to resist most psychic effects. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1958352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Except I think the Horus Heresy books are 100% authority on the time. So perhaps this is an exception to the rule.I'd agree, but there are already inconsistencies between various HH novels, so you're still left with having to make a judgement call about which bits you believe to be true and which you think fall into the myths, lies and half-truths category. At the end of the day, GW aren't even attempting to make a consistent canon for their universe (which personally I think is a great way to do things, although I know some people don't like the uncertainty). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166125-the-null-sisters/#findComment-1958638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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