Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 A quick question about Daemons in Apocalypse, since I couldn't find any FAQ on it on the GW site. Do Daemon armies use the rules in their codex(complete with rolls to see when units appear), or do they have to use the rules for Strategic Reserves? Or do they deploy one part as per the codex, then relegate the rest to Strategic Reserves? The reason I ask is that the codex states that the Daemons are all in reserve. So where do the frater stand on this? I claim Strategic Reserve, simply based on the fact that that rule superceeds the usual rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Half of the Daemon's army comes in on the first turn, as normal, then the rest would follow Strategic reserves (ie, you don't roll for them). As a "core" book of rules and such, Apocalypse would get superceded by the Daemon's Codex special rules. So if you had 12 units in your army, 6 comes in on first turn, 3 on second and 3 on third (who's on first? :P). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/#findComment-1956829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 So, when we played it using the codex rules, we were "doing it wrong" then? But if the codex superceedes the rules in Apocalypse? And on that note, DW Assault and DP Assault? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/#findComment-1957963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 No, because when you were using the codex rules, you were doing it right (I think). This example of yours: Or do they deploy one part as per the codex, then relegate the rest to Strategic Reserves?...is the correct way to go, and what I meant originally, if I wasn't that clear. Yes, it'd be the same with DW and DP assault and any other Codex special rules that trump normal rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/#findComment-1958316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted April 20, 2009 Author Share Posted April 20, 2009 Aye, but the Daemon player argues that the codex special rule includes the use of "regular" reserves, thus overruling Strategic Reserve. And thusly, DW Assault would too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/#findComment-1961046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 It just says the rest come in as reserves -> In apoc, reserves come in via strategic reserves -> Therefore the rest come in via strategic reserves. As for the daemon players argument, point out to him that it helps him and he'll probably shut up :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/#findComment-1961086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Yea, all normal reserves in Apocalypse = Strategic Reserves, so slap him with the Apoc book and be happy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/#findComment-1961405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reglor Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 IF you look in the Apocalypse Reload book, one of the Chaos Daemons datasheets tells you how it functions with Daemonic Assault, which seems to say that you should still be using it in Apoc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/#findComment-1961904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Exactly :teehee: Half of your army comes in on the first turn, rolled for as normal. "The remaining units are held in reserve...as normal." It can't possibly be any more clear: You use daemonic assault rules to bring in one half on the first turn, and then regular reserves get turned into strategic reserves according to the Apocalypse rulebook. It's like having a different version of Careful Planning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/#findComment-1962006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted April 21, 2009 Author Share Posted April 21, 2009 Except that the rule in the Daemon codex specifically mentiones rolling for the appearance of the units. Which is the main argument of the player in question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/#findComment-1962759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Ah, but is he rolling for reserves as normal? The answer is yes: he's only following the normal reserve rules, not anything special. Thus since he's rolling for reserves as normal, they instead get shunted to strategic reserves. Besides, he's ignoring the other part of daemonic assault: whole army starts the game in reserve. For Apocalypse, that automatically means Strategic Reserve. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166190-daemons-in-apocalypse/#findComment-1962773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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