ShinyRhino Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 It seems that nowadays, the Librarian's Force Weapon is just a fancily-labeled power weapon. Everything worth killing with it has Eternal Warrior, or is immune to Instant Death. So, what specific units or enemies is the Force Weapon worth holding a psychic power usage for? Why not simply blast with an Assault-firable power like Avenger (IIRC) before the charge instead of waiting to activate the Force Weapon? Or when assaulted, not bother using the Force Weapon instant death at all, since the risk of a Perils of the Warp is always present, and the power weapon kills just as nicely? This discussion assumes a basic librarian, not an Epistolary (since he can use two powers per turn, and has more options). I like the slimmed down 100-pointer as a backup HQ. Off the top of my head, it seems like the only thing you'd really want to use it against are multi-wound models like Nobz, Ogryns, heavy weapon platforms, etc. Am I correct? Any other ideas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Essentially yes. There arent loads of characters with Eternal Warrior though. In codex SM there is only Lysander and Marneus(i think). I still believe it is a very useful option. If you have a basic Libby it depends what role you wanted him to fill as to whether to use FW or a power. If he has Gate then the decisions made for you but if he has avenger then use FW against multi wound models and avenger against meqs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1956864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 How many characters really have eternal warrior? It doesn't work against Nids, Demons, demon princes, abbadon, Calgar, Lysander. Pretty much works on everyone else. Of course, my sorceror can use 2 powers a turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1956867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucku Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 How many characters really have eternal warrior? It doesn't work against Nids, Demons, demon princes, abbadon, Calgar, Lysander. Pretty much works on everyone else. Of course, my sorceror can use 2 powers a turn. I thought Tyranids in synapse range were only immune to Instant Death due to weapon strength (2xT) and were therefore susceptible to a Librarian's Force Weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1957067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 How many characters really have eternal warrior? It doesn't work against Nids, Demons, demon princes, abbadon, Calgar, Lysander. Pretty much works on everyone else. Of course, my sorceror can use 2 powers a turn. I thought Tyranids in synapse range were only immune to Instant Death due to weapon strength (2xT) and were therefore susceptible to a Librarian's Force Weapon. Not according to the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1957096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycroft Holmes Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Should also read "Nids in Synapse"; as you can ID a Carnefex with a Force weapon if you catch it off on it's own. Mycroft Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1957280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olesh Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 How many characters really have eternal warrior? It doesn't work against Nids, Demons, demon princes, abbadon, Calgar, Lysander. Pretty much works on everyone else. Of course, my sorceror can use 2 powers a turn. I thought Tyranids in synapse range were only immune to Instant Death due to weapon strength (2xT) and were therefore susceptible to a Librarian's Force Weapon. Not according to the FAQ. Very first part of the errata, changes to: Page 28: "Tyranids within synapse range as described above are not affected by the Instant Death rule. Note that this does not apply to Ripper Swarms." Carnifexes are vulnerable to force weapons when outside synapse, but you're unlikely to find an opportunity to make use of this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1957289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaylen Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Note Eldar Avatar of Khaine and demons from the C:CSM (correct me if i am wrong on this) also do not have the EW special rule. On a side note just played a game today against Chaos. My opponent had the Special character sorc w/ all the powers. He melted both my avatar and wraithlord into chaos spawn in 1 turn(ouch). Still won the game though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1957880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Note Eldar Avatar of Khaine and demons from the C:CSM (correct me if i am wrong on this) also do not have the EW special rule. On a side note just played a game today against Chaos. My opponent had the Special character sorc w/ all the powers. He melted both my avatar and wraithlord into chaos spawn in 1 turn(ouch). Still won the game though. demon princes from Codex chaos marines have EW. Don't think Greater Demons do. Wow, that's lucky as each roll would need a 6 to succeed in spawning an avatar or wraithlord. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1957928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaylen Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Yeah I know. He used the power 3 times in one round. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1957936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddonshand Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I thought each power could only be used once per turn, even if the psyker in question can use more than one power? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1957984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaylen Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I don't have a Chaos marine dex on hand but I believe that Ahriman is supposed to be some kind of super psyker that can fire multiple shooting powers per turn. If someone has the dex maybe they could clarify. -Thaylen Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1958008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I thought each power could only be used once per turn, even if the psyker in question can use more than one power? Not according to the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1958009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asugradinwa Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Things to use a force weapon on- Vulkan, Pedro, any other IC without Eternal warrior. In general my libby is casting null zone or the avenger instead. Actually force weapons are my bain. Every time I fight eldar Eldrad always manages to get a wound on vulkan & then POOF. No more Vulkan...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1958488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Things to use a force weapon on- Vulkan, Pedro, any other IC without Eternal warrior. In general my libby is casting null zone or the avenger instead. Actually force weapons are my bain. Every time I fight eldar Eldrad always manages to get a wound on vulkan & then POOF. No more Vulkan...... Eldrad doesn't have a Force Weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166198-when-to-leave-a-power-available-to-activate-a-force-weapon/#findComment-1959120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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