Legio Crucius

[Brother Argos]

Ok I need some help here, for a long time I have wanted to make my Forgeworld titans, but never found the time. Well that has to stop ... so this summer is going to be a summer of modelling :P

 

I decided as I love plasma weaponry, that I would make my titans part of Legio Crucius, this ties in many ways with my current forces, having made an appearance on Armageddon during the 3rd war. My ongoing theme for 40k is the creation of an "Army of the Imperium" featuring Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus, Inquisitors and Sisters of Battle, all of whom were involved with the 3rd war for Armageddon.

 

So far I have my Salamanders, Order of the Fiery Heart (an internal chapel in the Order of the Martyred Lady), Death Korps, Steel Legion and some inquisitors. Now its time to add to the mix with some Titans.

 

Now the problem is there is no source I can find anywhere which discusses the colours or emblems of the Legio Crucius.

 

So first stage of the solution, is does anyone have any idea of these colours or emblem, from a verifiable source that I have failed to find :wub:

 

Second stage, if there is no answer, what colours should I use and also what emblem ?

[Firenze]

Argos? Needs help?

 

If there is none whatsoever, I would go with a scheme that fits with the forge world they are from.

[Brother Argos]

My word, do I come across as that capable online ?

 

I am just a normal gamer, I read my own messageboard like anyone else :blink:

[Primarch Corax]

Well, in latin cruCIO means "torture, torment". Perhaps, to reflect this, you could show the 8-pointed star in chains, or surrounded in flames. Colours that would accentuate this are red, black and dark blue. This would create a very menacing colour scheme if applied correctly. I'm sorry that's all I can offer.

 

(So, when do I become a mod? :yes: )

[Severus6]

(So, when do I become a mod? )

 

You have a long, long,....long way to go. :lol:

 

Severus6

[Brother Argos]

I remember mod-hood ... a painful experience.

[Severus6]

Brother Argos, have you considered a camo scheme for the Titan(s)? Based around where the Titan Legion was fighting? (City, Veldt/Plain,....?)

 

Severus6

[BrotherZaah]

Camoflage a titan? I'd imagine the only way to do that is to paint whole trees/building onto the legs and the kill banner can say "im not here...shhh" :P

 

Practicalities of camoflaging a titan aside...

 

I think the fluff surrounding titans would mean that they would use their heraldic colours, as Princeps and Moderati are hugely aggressive and self confident, almost arrogant.

 

They refer to the titans as god-engines, gods of war, they WANT the enemy to see them and know their doom approaches.

 

I couldnt find anything on Legio Crucius, so I personally think you're good to make you're own.

 

Crucius could be to crucify (dodgy territory) or as said, torture or torment, but they're very inquisitional/chaos themes, how about taking imagery from a crucible?

 

From Wikipaedia:

 

A crucible is a cup-shaped piece of laboratory equipment used to contain chemical compounds when heated to extremely high temperatures. Crucibles are available in several sizes and typically come with a correspondingly-sized crucible cover (or lid)

 

I'm sure you've heard of "the crucible of war".

 

This ties the legio not only to the ad-mech who would use crucibles in the creation of the machines. but also your salamanders for their love of heat and the forge, making for a nice synergy of co-operation.

 

As for representing this as heraldry, maybe a crucible with fine gilding on it, and the ad-mech symbol or similar (cog, metal skull etc) in the middle. maybe flames rising out of it. or around it.

 

Granted at the basis of it all your heradly is a cup, which isnt really hugely heroic, but neither is some of the heraldry of the Astartes or the other Legio's. Knights of Taranis (from Mechnicum) has a cog and lightning strike- thrilling. Soul Drinkers use a cup, Iron Hands use a.... iron hand. The point of heraldry is that it signifies the unit, regardless of what the heraldry is, dont forget that you could put a hello kitty symbol on a titan, but its still a 10+ meter tall walking war engine of kick ass.

 

Planned and designed properly i think you could end up with a heraldry which is not only unique, but also very striking.

 

(Also because of the phrase "crucible of war" you could make a kickass legio motto)

 

As for colour schemes thats entirely your preference Brother though I think it should be picked after the heraldry as you can use them to compliment it.

 

Hope i helped.

 

BZ

[Firenze]

Camoflague will work on the smaller titans... sort of. My Legio is completely black with some silver highlighting to show a slight camoflague to a city scape that they are highly adept at fighting in (their home forge is situated on a very cold city planet, lots of black and grey).

[Brother Pariah]

My usual sources indicate that there is no official colour scheme or emblem for the Legio Crucius.

 

The earliest Epic games had Titans which camoflagued their carapaces to make it harder for aircraft and spaceships to spot them from above. By the time Space Marine 2nd edition rolled around, the practice was abandoned by the 'Eavy Metal team.

[commander alexander]

I dont have any info on the legion, but I have some ideas. If the 'theme" is plasma related, why not have some sort of logo with flames, or a star? If you did do something like that for a logo, Im thinking the star /flames would moslty be white, if so some sort of very dark, cool color (as in a sence of cold, blues,purples, greens,) would contrast nicely, with a dark bronze or silver trim.

[Brother Hadafix]

If going the cammo route, I'd recommened looking into ww1 and ww2 "crazed" patterns used on ships. If you get it right then you could make it look like its facing a number of directions.

 

As has been said, a comet or star sounds like it would go with the plasma theme, tho something closer to the Legion of the Damned sounds closer to the name or maybe the Pyre csm colours.

[satanaka]

There's no set scheme for Crucius that I can find in any of my info.

 

However, to come up with your own scheme for them, follow the pattern that BOLS has used for their decals (which do match the old AT ones pretty closely.)

 

Solid main color (usually)

Metallic trim color

geodesic or angular carapace graphic design

 

Just use the BOLS designs as a guide and it should look good.

[Sons of Horus]

middle to dark shades of blue, silver for trim and other parts can be gold I guess (not official).

 

plasma is mostly blue-ish so the titans themselves would look pretty cool if they were blue i guess :P

[Brother Argos]

"Bols style" is merely Heraldry ... they are using basic heraldic rules that GW used when they first released the titans (thats why all the banners)

[commander alexander]

Why not come up with your own heraldry? It will most likely turn out better than copying someone elses, and it will be much more fun and cool ;) . Although none of us mind putting in our two cents <_< .

[Severus6]

By camo, I mean some of the old WW I / II ship patterns,...you might even have some type of city camo the smaller to mid-size Titans.

 

Severus6

[Vassakov]

To be honest... lets think about what a Titan is. From Eisenhorn (Hereticus, to be precise)

 

The Imperial Battle Titans are terrifying things to behold... we have made nothing as sublime as the Titans. They are built for war, and war alone. Their image, their bulk, their sheer size is designed to do nothing except demoralise and terrify their foes.

 

A Titan needs no visible camouflage - such would undermine its role and purpose as a machine of war. Their visage would be more effective in full battle regalia than hidden, like a pathetic guardsman. If you ask me, the "camouflage" would be in auspex baffles, sensor distorters and other electric countermeasures.

 

Besides... how do you hide something that can stand on a Super heavy tank with impunity?

 

For the colour scheme - try something a bit different. You have Green Salamanders, Tan IG - maybe something in a Red or a Blue scheme? Crucius is something to do with pain, IIRC so maybe some sort of Weapon motif?

[Lion in the Stars]

To be honest... lets think about what a Titan is. From Eisenhorn (Hereticus, to be precise)

 

The Imperial Battle Titans are terrifying things to behold... we have made nothing as sublime as the Titans. They are built for war, and war alone. Their image, their bulk, their sheer size is designed to do nothing except demoralise and terrify their foes.

 

A Titan needs no visible camouflage - such would undermine its role and purpose as a machine of war. Their visage would be more effective in full battle regalia than hidden, like a pathetic guardsman. If you ask me, the "camouflage" would be in auspex baffles, sensor distorters and other electric countermeasures.

 

While I disagree about the effectiveness of camo, it does kinda fly in the face of GW practice. *IF* I were to camo something the size of a ship, I'd use the dazzle schemes like the US Navy used, like Measure 31. They are specifically intended to make the ship look like it's going in a different direction, at a different speed. While not useful against radar-controlled gunnery, a Titan has a nuclear reactor, so it has nuclear-powered jammers. It's conceivable that the jammers are so powerful that they've forced the use of visual targeting. The advantage of splinter patterns is that you can use heraldic colors and still get a usable camo effect out of them.

 

For the colour scheme - try something a bit different. You have Green Salamanders, Tan IG - maybe something in a Red or a Blue scheme? Crucius is something to do with pain, IIRC so maybe some sort of Weapon motif?

 

I'm feeling something blue for this legion. Dark blue, almost as dark as night lords, maybe Necron Abyss. Secondary color of 'or' (gold/yellow), but only in small areas. If going for camo, use a medium blue (ultramarine) and a light gray (fortress).

[commander alexander]

I'm feeling something blue for this legion. Dark blue, almost as dark as night lords, maybe Necron Abyss. Secondary color of 'or' (gold/yellow), but only in small areas. If going for camo, use a medium blue (ultramarine) and a light gray (fortress).

Look at my first post :devil: