Heresy Era Imperial Fists

[Ufthak]

Well, since no one gave any advice, I thought up my own finished banner. Hope it looks good.

My finally finished vet sarge (and it only took me 3 months to do him!!!):

[AdeptusDavidus]

Well, you clearly didn't need our advice - that banner looks fantastic. ;)

[Ufthak]

Thanx Adeptus Davidus :tu:

Another small update - I've been working on my Mk II Crusade Armour marines lately, and here's the result:

[Ufthak]

Once again, I would like to ask for some help. I asked this question a while back, but came to no clear conclusion:

 

I'm planning of adding a few dead traitor marines to the bases of my Fists. I decided I'd use Sons of Horus. Problem is, no one seems to know for sure what colour their armour is. Some people go for a pale green, some for a greenish grey, others for plain Codex grey. Can anyone help me out and tell me what the fluff says? In the Colected visions we find pictures of the Sons in both grey and green armour, but mostly grey. What do the Horus Heresybooks - which I have not yet read - say?

 

Help would be very much appreciated ;)

[Iacton Qruze]

The HH novels call it "Ocean Grey"

 

which would mean a grey/green to me.

 

I painted one up one time... don't have a pic right now though, but I used VMC 971 and 973 - green grey and light sea grey, respectively. it's a pale green, not minty, though.

[Ufthak]

@Iacton Qruze:

Thank you :lol: alright, I'll somehow try blending green and grey, see what happens...

Update:

Bin working on the shoulder pads of my two Mk II Crusade armour marines...

No.1:

No.2:

[Whylie]

Once again, I would like to ask for some help. I asked this question a while back, but came to no clear conclusion:

 

I'm planning of adding a few dead traitor marines to the bases of my Fists. I decided I'd use Sons of Horus. Problem is, no one seems to know for sure what colour their armour is. Some people go for a pale green, some for a greenish grey, others for plain Codex grey. Can anyone help me out and tell me what the fluff says? In the Colected visions we find pictures of the Sons in both grey and green armour, but mostly grey. What do the Horus Heresybooks - which I have not yet read - say?

 

Help would be very much appreciated :)

 

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Luna_Wolves go here shows both Luna Wolves and Sons of Horus colours.

 

lexicanum is the best web based referrance sorce I've found so far ( belive me I've looked)

[Ufthak]

@Whylie:

Thanx. Yes, I know Lexicanum, it's probably the Best. Well, I guess I'll try a light Greenish Grey, if that's somehow possible :D

[Brother Loring]

Luna Wolves are/were grey, they became green when they became the Sons of Horus. This isn't necessarily the point at which they became 'the bad guys' but Horus' attitude had changed somewhat. They were the Sons when Horus makes his bargain with the Gods of the Warp. I think it is a bit of a washed out olive green but will try and find the quote.... p34 of false Gods... "its new colour, a pale, greenish hued metallic...". Close!

 

I think the captains wore the comb-crested helms if that also helps.

 

Hope that helps!

[Ufthak]

So...one of the HH series books describes the armour as "Ocean Grey" and another as "pale, greenish hued metallic". Nice. Well, to me it seems as if no one really can be sure what colour the Sons were. I guess I'll stick with a light greenish grey. Anyway, thank you very much for your help Brother Loring ;) Thanks for the tip about the crests, almost forgot about that one...may be using them :D

 

I'd like to once again ask for some advice. I'm currently working on a five-man assault squad, and I'm toying with the idea of having them flying through the air by drilling holes in their torsos and sticking them on soem wire. Has anyone made anything of the sort? Any ideas? How would I attach the wire to the bases, and how would I stop it bending?

[Brother Loring]

I have some 1mm 'locking wire' that is pretty thin and very strong. If you could find some 0.5mm wire, I'm sure that's also work and still be sufficient for a plastic model. Not sure what it is made of, but think it's stainless steel. It was only 50-60p/metre. It could be drilled into a model and drilled into most pieces of scenery without too much of a problem. Would probably only need about 3-4mm of depth/support when drilling to make it stable. Would like to see the models when they're done. I'm just about to create a marine jumping though a stained glass window using some of the 1mm cable. I'll let you know how it goes.

[Replica]

Very cool! love the dirty yellow, makes them much more realistic. And i love the leg studs!

[Ufthak]

@Brother Loring:

Sounds great! Post some pics, I'd like to see that!

Anyways, I'm having trouble finding 1mm wire. I found 2mm (which would theoretically also work), but it was brass, which bends very easily. I'll keep looking.

 

@Replica:

Thanks :P Yep, the leg studs were not particularly fun to do, but the result is mostly very nice.

[ulrikk]

Wowza... :huh: Those fists are amazing. I just read through the whole thread, you really deserve more loving for sharing such wonderful marines with us. High ambition level, great greenstuffing, unusual choise of project, great heraldry, and a great, realistic yellow color for your fists... I love them?

 

Only problem I see is that the contrast between the yellow and black panelling can be a bit harsh at times. Maybe you should use the Iyanden darksun as shading instead of the dark on the lighter places of the mini (top of head, front foot, etc.) more often? And they seriously need red, hightlighted eyes. That would increase their awesome by 435% ;)

[Ufthak]

@ulrikk:

Thank you for your comments ^_^ Concerning the red eyes: I was actually intending on leaving the eye sockets dark, since it gives a more sinister look to the marine. Not sure whether red would be a good idea. Maybe I should just try it! :D About the yellow and the shading: perhaps I'm a bit dumb...I don't really understand what you mean. May I ask you to explain again? :tu:

[Ufthak]

Hello!

Been absent for a while, working on my latest project: my 5-man assault marine squad!

I know jump packs were rarer Pre-Heresy, but I guessed the Imperial Fists, particularly the elite 1st Grand Company, as siege specialists, would employ jump packs. Plus, having got my hands on the great jump packs from Maxmini, I had to do them. They're still WIP, but the yellow armour's done, plus the sarge only needs finishing touches.

1st Marine: Plasma pistol, full Mk VI Corvus armour:

2nd Marine: Plasma pistol, almost-full MkIV Imperial Maximus armour:

3rd Marine: Full Mk IV Imperial Maximus armour:

4th Marine: Full Mk II Crusade armour:

5th Marine: Sergeant, full Mk III Iron armour:

Finally, a further tactical marine in Mk VI Corvus armour:

I'm still painting the assault squad, which is taking AGES to do, but when I'm finally done I want to concentrate on my Chaplain again, and after that, possibly my termies, with the odd tactical marine thrown in between them. Unfortunately, I'm starting a new job tomorrow, which'll hamper a rapid progress in further work (difficult to fit modelling, 8 hours of work, my girlfriend, eating, sleeping and reading into a single day...)

[sword brethren]

i love these minitures they are looking amazing!!

 

very heresy! what helmet did you use for the sergeants helmet?

[Ufthak]

@Sword Brethren:

Thanx :) The sergeant's helmet is the old Rogue-Trader-era MkIII helmet from the "Armour through the Ages" set, I dunno if you can still get it over Mail order. I added the helmet spike myself by drilling a hole and superglueing it in. The spike itself is the tip of an old WHFB Goblin arrow.

[sword brethren]

ohh i seee, thats a great idea, i may use that myself, if you dont mind ofcourse <_<

 

once again, looks awesome!

[Ufthak]

I don't mind at all :P (and even if I did, there's not much I could do about it, except flying to England, showing up at your place and making sure you didn't use it) :P

 

But mind, cutting and drilling metal is a complicated business...

[Brother Loring]

So you went with the locking wire. I think it looks really good, and I'm sure will look nice in inconspicuous when they are fully based.

 

I really like the 3rd marine with the raised chainsword.

 

Be carful on positioning them. Make sure the bodies aren't too horizontal as the jump packs are angled quite a way back and makes it look like they're about to fire themselves into the floor. The other thing, try and keep the wire as straight as possible, I think it'll appear more inconspicuous.

 

Very nice though!

[LuNCHBiZZLe]

Everything looks awsome,I would have done the assult marines at the feet instead of the torso but that just me.

[Ufthak]

@Brother Loring:

The wire you can see on the photos isn't the one I'll ultimately use. The one you can see is extremely bendy brass, and the only wire I've currently got. I'm looking for a 1mm straight steel rod, about 10-15 cm or so long, and I would never have believed how difficult that is to find, I'm still searching. I drilled the holes in such a way that the backpacks are at 90° with the ground, effectively carrying the marines straight forward.

 

@LuNCHBIZZLe:

I was considering that, but the backpacks are quite heavy (they're made from a heavier substance than GW plastic), and I thought it would be best if their weight pressed down directly onto the steel rod/wire in order to maintain balance.

 

Anyways thanx for the comments ;)

[Ufthak]

Hey folks!

It's been a while. I'm still trying to find the right form of metal rod for the assault marines, and the progress on my Fists is currently hampered not only by Christmas, but also by a massive paint job I recently took on: a friend of mine asked me to paint the entire 2nd Company of Ultramarines, with support from 1st and 10th Companies, and all the vehicles that go along with it - something like 15 vehicles and 150+ marines. I only started a short while ago, so I haven't yet done much:

At least my payment is worth it:

(This is only the first part of the payment...I'm also getting an armorcast Shadowsword, a Leman Russ, a Leman Russ Exterminator, a FW Basilisk gun, a Griffon Mortar, a couple of sentinels, and a few guardsmen)

Anyways, you can see I've got enough to do for the moment. Nevertheless, yesterday i got myself some assault termies for my Fists, and I'vo got some questions. Possibly some of you can help me.

Now, I know that during the heresy termies were rather rare, and that they (most probably) wore the "Cataphractii" armour, which I will be giving them. But the assault termie box has a lot of bits I'm not really sure I can use in a Pre-Heresy force.

First of all, these crosses. What are they? Are they merely decorative? Would they have been around during the Heresy?

Secondly, this other strange cross. Looks like a Crux Terminatus, which I'm sure wasn't around during the Heresy. Could I use it?

Thirdly, the Thunder Hammers. I know that during the Heresy Lord Commander Eidolon wielded a massive two-handed one...would the termies have had these?

Same for the Shields. Could I use them?

And these symbols. Could I theoretically use them as the head of a Crozius Arcanum for my Chaplain?

And a last question: the skull-motif, which is everywhere on Imperial armour and weaponry...would that have been around during the Heresy?

I know it's a long list of questions, but your help would be much appreciated!

--Ufthak--

[Brother of the Temple]

First, I've got to say your IF's are great. I like the paint scheme and the modeling of Heresy armor is great. I especially like the personal iconography of the sergeants.

 

About your questions;

 

The crosses in the first two pics are rosarius' that give chaplains their 4+ inv save. I don't remember chaplains being part of pre-Heresy fluff or in the HH books.

 

The second set of pics, The Crux Terminatus was a badge given to terminators after the Heresy and incorporated a small piece of the Emperors Terminator armor in it. As a shield I don't think it's a big deal, however the Terminators wouldn't have them yet during the Heresy.

 

I think Terminators did have hammers and shields during the Heresy. Any symbols could be applied to the shields I suppose. Background wise I'm not sure, sorry.

 

The skull symbology came after the Heresy was complete. The Imperial symbol was the eagle (single headed), I don't believe the double headed eagle came into being until the High Lords of Terra took over. Again I'm sure you could use the skulls and no one would be the wiser.