Excommunicate Tratoris

[Karitas]

Hello all.

 

I'm pretty much decided that i want to build myself a DH army. not so much for the demonhunting ability, but because of the modelling opportunities, the fluff and the look of the thing.

 

I'm starting small, with the compulsory's as my gaming group is quite new. a group of returning/new players.

 

I've already cracked out UM's and Orks since returning to the hobby and am feeling read yot take on a modelling challenge.

 

I have in maind a retinue of PA'ed acolytes and shooty warriors, i was thinking about the Gaurdsman appearance, but with big shooty guns :P and possibly a couple of sages.

 

I would like to put the in a Landraider ultimately but i think i may have to begin in a modest Chimera to keep the points cost down. I think i'm going to kitbash/convert most of the models here, i have already attempted an acolyte in My WiP Thread and would appreciate your comments. I always liked the more "real" almost Blanche-ish models and paintjobs, hence the dreads etc ^_^

 

I think also i'm going to attempt to build my own inq. although the beauty of the FW models is hard to resist.

 

My main problem comes with Troops. i want to use two units of 10 stormtroopers, and though i would dearly love to put them in the new valkyrie models, i understand this is impossible without 2 troops chpices of inducted guard, and i have neither the patience nor points free to attempt this ^_^ so it will have to be chimeras. with my HQ, and two troops in chimeras thats about my point allocation for now.

 

my main issue is the models.

 

i think my choices are Kasrkin, which are good, but would end up with two identical units as they aren't posable, thats dosent sit well with me. the old Stormtrooper models have the same issue.

 

so i've been eying up the FW guys, the DKoK grenadies, and the ELysians. now my problem is aesthetically i'm not sure either is right. DkOK look great, but might be a bit too gothic to sit next to Pa'ed guys and chimeras. Elysians look good too, but look lightly armroured.

 

i've considered all manner of conversions envolving brettonians, SM scouts, Tau, Guard etc. but am still undecided.

 

so i guess i'm asking -

 

what do the rest of the radicals out there use for IST's? B)

 

oh and for the interested the journey to 2k points envolved assasins, daemonhosts and probarbly another inq ;)

 

Thanks for reading !

[KingDeath]

You could go for 2 normal Guard Platoons instead of the 2 stormtrooper Squads.

They could represent the Inquisitor's private litle army, something realy usefull

when you are a radical <_<

[Marid]

I use two squads of storm troopers as the foundation of my DH army. Squad Alpha is made up of Kasrkin models and squad Bravo is the old style. They are painted differently as well. I did this to represent troopers from two different garrisons. One could be the Inquisitor's personal guard and the other a local one. I don't seem to have a picture of the Bravo style. I will have to remedy that! Here is an Alpha trooper with my kitbashed Chimera.

 

http://web.pdx.edu/~wordr/Photos/Warhammer40k/ChimeraProject/Chimera_back_starboard.jpg

[Karitas]

I remember admiring that Chimera on another post ;)

 

I have had a thought overnight, and i think it's quite scary :tu:

 

If i took elysians. then i take two small guard platoons to satisfy the two troops from inducted. i think i could then take Valkyries as fast atacks, and put my IST's in them.

 

which means (points permitting, and maths pending) i could have my Inq and retinue in a chimera, flanked by a guard platoon on either side, (and while i havent seen the new codex yet i beleive they can all have transport now) so, also mounted in chimeras with my elysians in valks waiting to spike ahead and drop on objectives.

 

with whatever points remain, mix in some assasins/deamonhosts; possibly a IG heavy choice and bingo, the proverbial private army.

 

i need to do the maths for this for it's final cost, and work out viability at the usual stages, 1k 1.5, 1750 2k etc

[Grand Master Tchezzarus]

Welcome to the Inquisition!

Like you, what I'm attracting to is the modelling option of the inquisition.

I intend to do for my IST is to buy some FW Elysian troops heads (just a few buks for 12) and put them on different body (SM scouts)...

Maybe that something you should give a thought or two.

Tchezz.

[Red Lost Soldier]

Welcome to the Inquisition.

 

I use a whole bunch of Kasrkin for my IST. I have done quite a lot of leg cuts and general hacking to break up the same stance syndrome you get with metal models. I also threw in some GS bulked up Cadians for a bit more variety. I like how they all look similar or regimented, yet slightly different.

 

Keep an ear out for plastic Storm Troopers, confirmed but not sure if there is a date for release yet. Love the acolyte conversion BTW, nice GS use, so much character.

[nathan-san]

My plans for Stormtroopers are to get a box of Kasrkin, some Death Korp (I think? - the ones with the cool trench coats and face masks), and a squad of Catachan

 

 

Rather than have each squad identical, it lets me experiment a bit with some of the excellent variety offered in the Imperial guard miniature range, and also lets me model and treat each squad of IST as its own little elite unit - a sort "best of the best" from throughout the galaxy.

 

I will no doubt paint them up with similar schemes (they'll all have =I= icons and imagery on them), but I'll endeavour to make each one distinct and flavourful in their own right. So long as their weaponry and gear matches that of a stormtrooper, I wouldn't see an issue with it

[Aidoneus]

If i took elysians. then i take two small guard platoons to satisfy the two troops from inducted. i think i could then take Valkyries as fast atacks, and put my IST's in them.

Valkyries are available to all your Inq Retinues and IST squads as dedicated transports in the Imperial Armour 2 update. You should be able to download it for free. Legally, I mean (otherwise I wouldn't have said so). That'll also get you cheaper chimeras with more options, as well as cheaper rhinos. If you ally-in Witch Hunters ISTs, you can also use IA2 to give them Repressors, which are fantastic (IMO).

[Karitas]

My plans for Stormtroopers are to get a box of Kasrkin, some Death Korp (I think? - the ones with the cool trench coats and face masks), and a squad of Catachan

 

 

Rather than have each squad identical, it lets me experiment a bit with some of the excellent variety offered in the Imperial guard miniature range, and also lets me model and treat each squad of IST as its own little elite unit - a sort "best of the best" from throughout the galaxy.

 

I will no doubt paint them up with similar schemes (they'll all have =I= icons and imagery on them), but I'll endeavour to make each one distinct and flavourful in their own right. So long as their weaponry and gear matches that of a stormtrooper, I wouldn't see an issue with it

 

While this is an excellent idea, and one i've considere,d i think i want i bit more uniformity to my IST's

 

I think i've pretty much been seduced by the DKOK, as i'm heading for the quite dark, rogue trader look for this army.

Valkyries are available to all your Inq Retinues and IST squads as dedicated transports in the Imperial Armour 2 update. You should be able to download it for free. Legally, I mean (otherwise I wouldn't have said so). That'll also get you cheaper chimeras with more options, as well as cheaper rhinos. If you ally-in Witch Hunters ISTs, you can also use IA2 to give them Repressors, which are fantastic (IMO).

 

I love you.

 

i now need to get my mitts on this book immediately :D

 

to be able to mount the force in Valks without worrying about how much IG i take, means i can make the IG useful, rather than burdensome.

 

i'm a happy heretic.

[Peredyne]

I have samples of all of the stormtroopers made since 2nd edition in my collection. I have the beret-wearing ST's set up as an armored fist squad, two squads of the 3rd edition ST's painted as ISTs, and one squad of Kasrkin (unfinished). I'm seriously considering adding squads of Elysians in Valks for my DH/WH forces. I will probably use Pig Iron Heads instead of the Elysian heads, though.

[Aidoneus]

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/downloads40k.htm

 

Scroll down just a bit. I think it's the second one. Free download, and totally useable as a stand-alone document. Enjoy! B)

[Karitas]

Phenomenal.

 

I think i've pretty much decided that a 1k and less i'll put everyone in chimeras, that gives me enough points room for death cult or daemonhosts, which i dont have with valkyries

 

but at 1500 i'll definately take em, and some inducted guard can have the chimeras :)

 

I've ordered most of the parts i need to attempt my Inquisitor and retinue, going to be an expensive unit, but if i'm honest i'm getting into this one more for the models than any hope i'll win against my colleagues :)

 

I'm going to use the DkoK i think for all of my guard. they have that "blanche" feel, the first two i'm going to experiment with are the heavy weapon grenadiers, one with a metla gun to use a IG vet for the retinue and one with a heavy stubber to as a "counts as" hvy bolter servitor. i dont do tournaments and everyone i know will be cool with so it i shouldnt have any issues. later on i'll add another DkoK model but for now, i'm starting with two.

 

I'm going to continue building acolytes in power armour as the last one was great fun, it's just s shame they cant be given better weapons along with the armour but hey ho :)

 

i'm using two sages and a few servo skulls for appearance sake, he'll likely only use one in games

 

and i'm going to try and build myself an inquisitor with soething that will pass for a psycannon

 

all this wrapped up inot a tidy little chimera.

 

as the force progresses for the first 1k i'm going to slap 2 units of dkok grenadiers into chimeras (or similar, the repressor looks like a nice model :) ) and fill out remaining points with DC assasins and deamonhosts or maybe an imperial assasin.

 

i'm not entirely sure how sound they will be as fighting force, right now i'm just excited about the modeling :)

 

thanks all for your comments so far, as soon as the mail gets things to me i'll have pictures for you.

 

also, must not neglect my ultras for my "call" ...

[Karitas]

I must be serious about this, I've started a Blog

 

and theres a new acolyte attempt in My WiP thread

 

I'd appreciate any comments if you've the time fellow Inquisitors.

[Karitas]

Hello again,

 

If anyone would like to assist me in pondering an issue or two related to the retinue i'm developing i'd appreciate you taking a gander Here

 

For those of you more inclined to help with matters more martial, i present my first foray into a DH army List -

 

we're aiming for just shy of 900 points, - we tend to choose the lowest points value of the armies in the running and all build to that, i know it's an odd number but it challenges my army building skills :confused:

 

and before anyone says "you dont have any deamonhosts in this list, why not use GK" well i know the army would be stronger with them, but i'm building this on for character, if i win all to the good, but i'm aiming for a unique army. ish :tu: i'd also rather not hear "use SoB instead", i want to make the most viable army i can out of DH ISt's and inducted IG going forward,

 

=][=

 

Inq. Lord

Lightening claw

Artificier armour

Psycannon

 

1 imp guard vet melta

1 heavy bolter imp guard

Acolyte power armour bolt pistol

Acolytle power armour 2xbolter

 

Chimera

2x hvy bolter

__________________________________

 

Inq stormtroopers

5 troopers inc vetran

plasma gun

Melta gun

Vetran plasma gun/PA

 

Chimera (2x hvy bolters)

__________________________________

 

Inq stormtroopers

5 troopers inc vetran

2x plasma

Vetran plasma gun PA

Chimera (2x hvy bolter)

__________________________________

Inquisitor, incinerator, power armour pfist

Acolyte PA, cc weaps

3x guardsman w/flamer

Chimera (hvy flamers)

__________________________________

 

 

sorry for the format, it went wonky when i took all the points values out. its standing about 880 at the moment wich is fine for it's purposes.

 

the wole army basically has the option to be a "drive by" army, with some meant to get closer than others to the fray each chimera has it's vetran in power armour so i can basically make it look like there an inquisitor in training in each chimera, with IST troops backing them all up.

 

like i said i dont expect to be winning a lot, but i expect to be giving people a hard time nontheless, i'd appreciate your thoughts

[Defiance]

Took a peek at you W-I-P thread and must say you have a gift. also really enjoy where you are taking these models, cant wait to see the next ones... Wish i could help you with the army list but as far as that goes i am new too this whole 40k thing...

but man does the Inqusition look awesome and your models and others i see compound that fact.

[Karitas]

Thanks Defiance,

 

i'm glad you liked the models, but i'm nt sure about the "gift" part :) some of the people here make me feel like a rank amatuer with thier skills.

 

I do agree that the inquisitor armies are some of the most customised and unique out there, that's what got me thinking about this.

 

:)

 

and dont worry about the army list, i'm sure someone will be along who can help.

 

in fact i expect most of the people who looked though about saying either "use GK" or "use sisters" then gave up on me when they saw i'd said i didnt want to :)

[Red Lost Soldier]

Looking at those models, I think you've picked the perfect army. You should get praise wherever you put them down, they have that uniqueness and character that the Inquisition does so well.

 

and before anyone says "you dont have any deamonhosts in this list, why not use GK"

Actually when I saw your list I thought, "You don't have any GK, why not include a daemonhost?" ;) They have the most interesting rules in the game, in my humble opinion. They usually make me want to laugh or cry every time I field them.

 

I think a daemonhost or some DCA might be a great addition to your list. Your Inquisitor Lord may be able to handle himself in combat against weakened or non assault squads, but regular Inquisitors are way out of their league. The downside with DCA and daemonhosts is that they will not be able to ride in your Chimeras, but they can run along behind fairly easy, and provide a more feasible assault scare for your opponent.

 

I also think the power armour for your IST and regular Inquisitor is a huge points sink. No reason Inquisitors can't be training in Carapace armour until they earn the right to wear power armour? I'd also make your Lord a bit more sit back and shooty, while the young whippersnappers go forth and prove themselves for him. If you take a lightning claw, take a cheap Familiar to make him strike before MEQ.

 

If you are using IA2 update, I'd definitely recommend some Autocannons on your Chimera to deal with light vehicles.

 

Also I'm afraid IST veterans cannot take plasma guns, only plasma pistols. Also you can post points for total squads, just not for individual items.

 

This is what I'd recommend for you at this stage:

 

=][= Lord @ 231

Psycannon, Thunder hammer/Power fist/Lightning Claw

3 Veterans with HB

2 Acolytes with PA

2 Sages

Chimera @ 55pt.

AC, HB

 

IST Squad (6) @ 80pt.

Plasma, Melta

Chimera @ 60pt.

HB, HB

 

IST Squad (6) @ 80pt.

2 Plasma

Chimera @ 60pt.

AC, HB

 

Inquisitor @ 138pt.

Incinerator, Thunder hammer/Power fist/Lightning Claw

2 Guardsmen with Melta, 1 with Flamer

Acolyte, PA

Chimera @ 55pt.

HB, HF

 

Daemonhost or 2 DCA @ 80-85pt.

 

844pt.

 

That leaves you a few points to do a number of things. If you are dead keen on PA for your IST veterans, the points are there. You could also bulk up the Inquisitors retinues, or bulk up the IST squads themselves. You should be ready for a Chimera or two to pop, sometimes quite early, and the more boots on the ground the better.

 

(Also I'd wager you'd make an absolutely wicked daemonhost model. They can look like just about anything you want. I made my first one from this model on the left.)

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Chaos/Renegades/nurgp11.jpg.

[Karitas]

Thankyou so much Red Lost Soldier for your comments.

 

I dont know how i arrived at plasma guns, i think they might have started out as combi-plasmas and i got lost from there :P

 

I definately hear you on the autocannon front, that's done :D

 

and the daemonhost is a certainty, i wanted one form the outset, but i didnt think i had the room at this low points level, but i take on your point that a lot of the PA i have is wasted points. i think mainly it's there because i'm having fun modelling these guys :devil:

 

I havent a lot of experience modelling guard minis, and i'm quite anxious about them in general, the two Death Korps i have my hands on are quite small comparatively, and if i were to model an inquisitor in carapace i fear for him being smaller than his acolytes ^_^

 

I'll have to grab a box of cadians and see if i can make the vets to my satifaction, the DK models seem not to offer too many options for customisation. hrm, things to ponder

 

I quite like the scattering of meltas, it helps with the much needed anti armour, and the extra man for survivability makes sense, reducing the flamer mad elite inquisitor's templates probarbly is a good move, but the idea of all those templates was nice :)

 

also, thankyou for your positive comments regarding my attempts at making acolytes so far, the encouragement is much appreicated :)

 

I must confess this army build is being led by the models. I'm still undecided about how much PA to use, and which IG models to use for my IST's (i was commited to dkok, but they are quite small, and it's going to be hard to kitbash with thier parts being so unique) it'll depend how much i can customise other models - particularly the ists, man a plastic kasrkin box would solve all my issues :)

 

I would like to know peoples thoughts regarding both shotguns and grenade launchers on IST's and hencemen :)

[DinoDoc]

Here's what I'd do with your points limit and theme:

 

HQ: Inquisitor Lord (7#, 293 Pts)

1 Inquisitor Lord

Holocaust; Bolt Pistol; Daemonhammer; Grimoire of True Names; Sacred Incense

1 Chimera

Multilaser; Heavy Bolter

2 Acolytes

Close combat weapon (x1); Storm Shield

1 Familiar

2 Combat Servitors

 

Elite: Death-Cult Assassins (2#, 80 Pts) {You could make this a daemon host if you wish)

2 Death-Cult Assassins

 

Elite: Assassin Operative (1#, 95 Pts)

1 Eversor Assassin

 

Troops: Inquisitorial Stormtroopers (11#, 205 Pts)

10 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers

Plasmagun (x2)

1 Chimera

Multilaser; Heavy Bolter

 

Troops: Inquisitorial Stormtroopers (11#, 205 Pts)

10 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers

Plasmagun (x2)

1 Chimera

Multilaser; Heavy Bolter

 

Total Roster Cost: 878

[Karitas]

Dinodoc, thanks for that, the squad size is certainly somehting to think about, the idea of favouring more troops over the vetran and his kit is one thatr certainly had merit.

i'm not entirely sold on holocaust yet, as i figure with the stats they have any inq and retinue that gets into CC is pretty much toast, i think i'd rather invest in avoiding CC than for the "incase" power.

 

there is one thing there i'm struggling to understand, and that's the storm sheilds, unless i'm missing something, power armour is the same points cost, a better save, and applies to every copmbatant, ranged or cc. wheras the ss is a lower save value, only usuable in CC and agaianst 1 opponent.

 

as i said i might be missing something but the PA looks like a better deal to me.

[Red Lost Soldier]

You can fit one daemonhost at 1000pt, 2 at 1500pt and 3 above while still retaining a reasonable force. Problem is one poor daemonhost by himself won't win combats so I usually use them to annoy the hell out of my enemy or for psychological warfare.

 

For example: Playing against a GK player who used two TLLC/ML dreadnoughts as his anti tank, I rolled teleport first turn and deep struck then assaulted his dread on the lonely flank by himself. It took about 5 turns of combat and his GK BC coming in to aid to finish off the thing, really ruining his game plan, and really made my day. He got me to one wound and then guess what power I rolled? Heh heh, reknit wounds. Look on his face was priceless.

 

2 DCA are stronger on the offensive, hitting first with power weapons, but they simply aren't nearly as fun. What I'd recommend is getting some later on to support your daemonhost so he can actually win fights.

 

I like how you're models are leading your army, for me the rules and fluff lead my models. If you wanted bulked up models to lead your IST, you can get away with them as normal independant inquisitors attached. They may still only sport carapace armour rules wise, but they do have twice the wounds of a normal IST/human, so the extra armour could represent their being twice as hard in taking wounds. It would keep the squads scoring too. That would change that last squad in the list I posted to this:

 

IST Squad (6) @ 80pt.

2 Meltaguns

Chimera @ 55pt.

HB, HF

 

Inquisitor @ 40-65pt.

Incinerator, Thunder hammer/Power fist/Lightning Claw

 

Simply attach the two at the start of the game. Making it about the same cost, with more bodies, but now scoring. No PA in their though, though for a points hike the Inquisitor or an IST sarge can take it. You still get 2 HF templates out of this unit, and 2 BS4 meltaguns.

 

At this points level you can fit in 3 smaller squads or 2 nice and full ones. I'd go for the three not quite as big ones really. Means any of them caught in assault is less of a dent in your army, and you probably will get caught sooner or later.

 

As to shotguns and grenade launchers. Shotguns for us are crippled, being the same strength as hellguns/lasguns but without armour penetration, cannot fire at full range, and we almost never want to be charging which is the only 'advantage' they bring. Grenade launchers I've always kept away from, but they do have the advantage of being move and shoot capable at longer range, and the nifty blasts could come in handy against hordes. I've always been a plasma/melta fan, despite the drawbacks of these weapons they are very good at what they do.

[Grey Mage]

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/downloads40k.htm

 

Scroll down just a bit. I think it's the second one. Free download, and totally useable as a stand-alone document. Enjoy! :D

Not to threadjack *sorry* but where in this document does it say its "legal". I mean you can do whatever you want with your mates but what about LGS style tournies etc.

[Karitas]

Red Lost soldier, that's a cracking idea, i did consider the other day using an attached inq but i handt thought it through enough to realise that made the "retinue" effectively larger and a better shot for similar points :)

 

I think i agree with the 3 smaller squads, as for not much cost that gets me two more heavy wepaons from the chimera i can take, and if all three are scoring, that's even better.

 

i think my only question is - can independant inq's still attach themselves to units if they are from the elite choice, or do they have to be HQ? (limiting me to 1)

 

as to the models leading my army, they are, no doubt, but in some way the fluff in my head is also leading my modelling, my problem (and the thing i thank all those contributing to this thread for) is that the rules come last for me :) but i still need to keep thjings fair and legal.

 

i'm now thinking (i'll have to do the maths points cost on these guys is easy to get out of hand) about attaching an inq-in-training to each ist unit maybe dotting an incinerator or psycannon here and there to help with the firepower. if i did that i'd leave the vet in carapce and maybe just give him a cc/pistol combo, or even leave him hellgunned.. although.. hrm, two psycannons in 1 chimera... or two incinerators... oooh melta bombs..

 

man this army isnt good for me, i'm a gadet whore irl, in this game, i could spend 3-400 points on a troops choice :)

[DinoDoc]

i'm not entirely sold on holocaust yet, as i figure with the stats they have any inq and retinue that gets into CC is pretty much toast, i think i'd rather invest in avoiding CC than for the "incase" power.

Your original list had the IQ lord with claws and a rather confused retinue. I figured we'd go for CC power to go with the role the claw was highlighting. If we would rather avoid CC there's 2 different types of IQ you could go for:

 

1)

Iq lord: Psycannon, P Hood

2 Sages

1 Mystic

3 Heavy Bolter Servitors

196 pts

 

2)

Iq lord: Psycannon, P Hood

2 Sages

1 Mystic

1 Plasma Cannon Servitor

2 Plasmagun toting IG Vets

206 pts

 

there is one thing there i'm struggling to understand, and that's the storm sheilds, unless i'm missing something, power armour is the same points cost, a better save, and applies to every copmbatant, ranged or cc. wheras the ss is a lower save value, only usuable in CC and agaianst 1 opponent.

I may have made him a little over specialized in his role. I went for a Greater Daemon killer. :blush: Generalized CC IQ lord would be similar if you strip off the anti-Chaos wargear and familiar for another Fist wielding servitor. The Holocaust power is there to deal with a swarm type army.

[Red Lost Soldier]

The Elite choice =][= is the only one who can initially join other squads. The HQ =][= can only join squads if his compulsory retinue is destroyed.

 

I used to take an elite =][= with a Psycannon when I played mixed DH, to unlock the assassin. Often he'd sit back and shoot away by himself in 4th, now in 5th the few games I've played I've attached him to IST or GK squads for protection. I also quite enjoyed attaching the Incinerator =][= to my twin melta IST squad to make the squad more versatile. Works against squishy troops but not MEQ.

 

Man all this radical stuff is tugging at me to get my =][= stuff out. If only uni wasn't hounding me to death and I didn't start a SM COTI pledge.