Karitas Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 Dinodoc, i think his battlefield role will be fire support, i intend to give him heavy bolter servitors and a psycannon ( well i'll use guard models but yeah) the lightning claw was an "in case" measure, i figured he would get cc attacked, and being able to reroll wounds would be a good thing :lol: by the same rationale in larger point games i might well take holocaust. I get now it was about the invul save given by the shields, against demons who'd ignore armour :lol: i dont expect to find many demon armies, most of my locale is meq, some tau, some ork etc. Red, i like the idea of using a couple of elite =][= with psycannon and incinerators, i might have a concerted look at a list that encomapsses some of these great ideas :) hehe i have a marine coti, its sadly neglected atm, i must sort that out :) edited - worst typing ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1980354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 I've been pondering, and i wonder how does this look to you all? =][= Inq. Lord Lightening claw Artificier armour Psycannon 3x heavy bolter servitor 2x sages Acolyte power armour bolt pistol Acolytle power armour 2xbolter Acolyte bolt pistol cc weapon Chimera Autocannon, hvy bolter Inq stormtroopers 5 troopers 2x plasma gun Chimera (multi laser, hvy bolter) Inq stormtroopers 5 troopers 2x grenade Chimera (multi laser, hvy bolter) Inq stormtroopers 5 troopers 2x melta gun Chimera (2x hvy flamer) Daemonhost Inquisitor, incinerator, power armour pfist Inquisitor, psycannon, power armour psword its about 960ish, but tbh by the time i get these guys to the field i expect the cap to have raised a little, and i might have room for slightly larger squads and an extra deamonhost or two. i removed the vets at the moment in favour of a couple of =][= elites mainly because i wasnt using the vets for much, if i find after a few games i need a bit more fireworwer, or cc, or even a melta bomb here and there i'll put em back in, for now though it seemed a good way to save points i'm probarbly going overboard with the acolytes in the =][= retinue but i want to test wound soaking with them, and still have a few swipes when i inevitably get cc'ed. the granades seemd a good versatile option for my middle fire team, allowing them to aoe or tank hunt with reasonable effectiveness, my flamer group get 3 templaes and 2 melta guns, likewise giving them that versatility, i'm likely to have a hard time with meq's and staying in the vehicles seems like a really good idea :) hopefully my daemonhost will scare my opponents :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1980502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Dinodoc, i think his battlefield role will be fire support, i intend to give him heavy bolter servitors and a psycannon ( well i'll use guard models but yeah) the lightning claw was an "in case" measure, i figured he would get cc attacked, and being able to reroll wounds would be a good thing :)...You don't really have the points to dedicate to being able to handle both roles and there's no real point in a str 3 power weapon against your local meta. For a unit like an IQ lord, you have to pick a role you want him to serve be it in CC or as a fire support unit and focus solely on that. Finding things to add to it "just in case" is a distraction and a sure fire way to create a point sink that doesn't serve well in either role. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1980503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 I see what you're saying Dino, but at the end of the day, it's 30 points. I'd pay 30 points for the model to look cooler :) and i cant really see what else i'd so with the points. i could put the vets back in, but i'm not sure there much gain there, 1 more guy in the squads maybe, but i'm not sure that'd make them last any longer I've said from the outset that the models are leading this, and within that i'm trying to also make them viable, tbh i'm not even that attached to the idea of a LC, but some kind of melee weapon seems almost obligatory for a =][= lord, and i thought a LC would look cool :? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1980553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Lost Soldier Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Coolness is definitely worth the point expenditure. My =][= model gets the Thunder Hammer, or Hammerhand if I'm feeling stingy on points. He hardly ever gets to use it, but it's just having it. I believe it was number6 who said being the Ordo Malleus, or the order of the hammer, we should get some hammer time action in somewhere. http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w281/listerryan/InquisitorLord.jpg I like the new list, still a bit light on models though, even for a non competitive list. IMO 6 is the minimum size for an IST squad, 8 is gravy, and 10 being perhaps overly cautious. I've been thinking about a twin lightning claw, scourging =][= Lord for some time. Probably with some meltagun/flamer guardsmen along for the ride. Would be fun for a laugh. Just one of those projects in my head that never seems to get into the real world. I prefer the enhanced strength though, even if I do strike last. S3 just isn't fun. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/downloads40k.htm Scroll down just a bit. I think it's the second one. Free download, and totally useable as a stand-alone document. Enjoy! ;) Not to threadjack *sorry* but where in this document does it say its "legal". I mean you can do whatever you want with your mates but what about LGS style tournies etc. It is as legal as any Forgeworld published document. Forgeworld being a part of Games Workshop itself, it is from GW technically. However like all Forgeworld rules, they require opponents permission as they are usually a little outside the scope of the main game. Most tournaments don't allow Forgeworld rules, so you couldn't use this document there. Just about anywhere else though is good with opponents consent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1980999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 Hah, yead Red, if i'd being going for witch hunters i wouldnt have been able to resist the whole "malleus maleficorum" thing :D maybe even calling characters "kramer" and "sprenger" :P as it is i think the darker tone of the DH armies suits me a little better, and i'm no good at pointy hats :) i agree with the numbers, i can easily add 1 more guy to each group points-wise, i was just being lazy as 3 more guys means 1 more order of minis :) i'll see how far i get with my IST experiments when that stuff arrives and make a descision then. I have a couple of "roughs" of the two elite =][= models on My project blog i'd appreciate anyone interested popping over for a peek. Cheers for the input so far everyone. i'm liking this army, even if i am going to get my ass handed to me :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1981669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidoneus Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I agree that looking cool can be worth a points expenditure, especially in a model-driven army like yours. However, there are ways to perhaps not spend quite so many points to look cool. For example, you could give him a hammer, but instead of paying for a pricey Thunder/Daemon Hammer, you could instead just say it's a power weapon, or even a humble close combat weapon, that happens to be in the shape of a hammer. Perfectly legit, and way cheaper. The pair of lightning claws is a bit harder to explain, but you could probably get away with just calling it a regular power weapon and CCW. Things like this can really cut down on overly-expensive upgrades, while still letting you play with awesome-looking models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1981690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 Aidoneus thats not a half bad idea that, give him some kind of noncommital melee weapon and then depending on available points form game to game it can be a cc, power or force weapon. hrm. i had become kindof attached to the idea of a claw tho :jaw: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1981778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 Also now on My project blog , the rough of the =][= lord himself. i'd appreciate any thoguhts anyone might have. even if they are just " dude i'm not clikcing away, post pics here" :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1982546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Lost Soldier Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Nice models as always. I think the Incinerator on one of the Inquisitors is too skinny. Even a normal flamer is far bulkier, and the GK with Incinerator is really monstrous. I really like the Psycannons though. I like the Lord too. The chunky shoulder pads and the extra height you've added really make him imposing. The claw seems to suit his razzled face too. Do you think your Inquisitors will get GS cloaks too? They look really good on the acolytes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1985326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 Hi Red, and many thanks for poping over to take a look, the incinerator is going to get a bulk out with hoses and tanks before i scrap it, i was going for the look of actual scrub burning flame-throwers i've used, but i agree at the moments it's way too skinny looking. glad you like the psycannons ^_^ though i'm not sure a hose or bit of gubbins here and there might not help, maybe even a magazine of somekind as for GS plans, the lord is getting a cloak, the incinerator inq a coat i think and the pfist guy a sleeveless coat type thing. at least that's the plan right now :) i've been catching up with some of my CoI painting the last few days while i wait for a delivery of guys i might be turning into IST's, hopefully tehy will arrive soon so i can finalise the look of the army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1985415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 So i've sloshed some paint on the first of those acolytes i built, pics, well pic can be found on my blog as usual, along with some derranged ramblings. i'm still waiting on Wayland (who are hideously backlogged atm) for the "raw materials" to try my hand at IST construction and i thought i'd share this guy with you. in the hope of gleaning a few more comments and guidance i'll pop a pic in here thusly http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4215.jpg no rear pic as the cloak looks fairly terrible, some sculpting flaws really accentuated by the paint. a lesson learned. if anyone remembers the three acolyts from my wip thread i'm pretty much going to use them to test paint ideas out, as i'm intending to build 3 new acolytes with bolters, as my =][= lord himself will be ranged. for those who havent read my posts before, what i'm aiming for is a quite gritty radical =][= army, most likely with some inducted guard later on i'm using but slightly subverting the red/gold/cream that's traditional, and trying to put a spain on it commensurate with the blanche images that i so loved when this whole 40k thing started for me :D any comments much appreicated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1994864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 I've been prototyping some IST's for use with this force and wanted to offer up what i have so far for any comments that might come along :D if you want to read my thought / whats been done frrl free to peruse My Blog if not,, then please enjoy / comment on these images ;) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4217.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4218.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4219.jpg ciao Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1997585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peredyne Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 These heads look too Imperial for a private army. I would consider using pig iron's inner guard or heavy infantry visored helmet heads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1997774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 I did consider those long and hard, especially the visored ones, but at the end of the day i decided I wanted a tournament legal army. what i'll probarbly do for some, or all of them going forward is pare off the aquilla and GS a visor in it's place, but those are details really. (not sure why as i'll probarbly never play one, but i want to retain the option i guess ^_^ ) i'm most interested in which of the above body/shoulderpad/weapon combinations people prefer. (in the hope that popular opinion agrees with me :P ) as for further planned details, well i'm adding =][=nsignia obviously, some facial hair on a model or two, and more unique hair on the unhelmed. i'm toying with the idea of some cloth, a tabard maybe or a tanith-like cape thingy. (i say toying i probarbly wont do that but i havent quite written it off yet) I will be honest with you though peredyne, i never really saw IST's as a private army, i see them as an elite cadre of troops much like the sororitas seeing as they are all trained in the same place, and to the standard and equipment on a par with Guard stormtroopers. the three i use as "count as" heavy bolter servitors in the =][='s retinue won't be helmed, theyll be a lot "rougher" as i beleive that's the place in a DH army for the more "private army" feel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1997812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 25, 2009 Author Share Posted May 25, 2009 Blog updated! please feel free to visit i've Gs'ed one of the elite =][= and built two IST's with, well, interesting heads :D (imo) as always (any!) comments are appreciated ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-1999784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 wow, three posts in a row all from me, i'll let this thread die soon, just wanted to let anyone who's been following it know theres a lot of progress on The Blog as i've pretty much got the look of the army sorted model wise now, just need to work on paint next and the construction of numerous IST's while trying to forstly keep them individual and secondly stop them looking like scouts arrgh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-2003597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peredyne Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I like the ISTs you've built. I would use scout legs with cadian arms and bodies. I did this to build my "counts as" IG character. I just had to file off the cadian belt to make it look right. It looks like carapace armor without the scout powerplant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-2003642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Lost Soldier Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nice progress. The chest plate really makes them stand out compared to standard infantry. The incinerator looks a lot better now also. The facial hair on one of those IST makes them look like a Space Wolf haha. In a good way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-2004127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Yeah, i suspect the whole army is going to draw space wlf comments, as i'm going beardy/hairy across the board :) reason being i want the troops to be radicals too. the only way soldiery would put up with a demon using =][= is if theyve seen enough to convince them it's the only way. no squeaky clean soldiers for me, grizzled, bedragggled vets is what i'm after :( Peredyne, i did build one that way but something about him looked a bit too, well scrawny, and when you consider that i want to use at least 1 inducted cadian lpatoon, i wanted them to look different enough from each other. the scout carapce gives me that. i agree the powerplant is a tad unsightly, and they models might end up looking a bit like scouts, hopefully not too much. and anyway if they do i've always got the argument that there's only so many patterns of carapace coming out of mars these days :) (coughcough) I've got three new acolytes to build and then the first squad of IST's should be coming off the line. can't wait to actually play these guys, probarbly going to get my ass kicked so hard i'm ordering GKT's before you can say "no more deamonhost" but i don't think i will. i'll soak the losses and play for fun/fluff. when i want to win i've got bloodaxes :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-2004555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted June 21, 2009 Author Share Posted June 21, 2009 Hello there everyone. I've pretty much fully migrated my work on these guys to My Blog now, but incase anyone here still has interest i thought i'd still put significant progress up here I've built the whole army now, barring a chimera or two, and have actually finished painting the first squad http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4335.jpg Once I paint the =][= lord i'll add him to the thread above, I thought you'd also like to know i finally went with the hammer http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4307.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4308.jpg I'll let you see him once he has paint on if you like. (PS I know i probarbly should put this stuff in the wip threads, but so many people just come here for SM's or CSM's it dosent really feel like the right place) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-2027854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Lost Soldier Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Your Lord looks badass. Good job. Stormies are looking nice and rugged. The green stuff work has come a long way, those cloaks are getting much better. It's going to be quite the unique army. Do you have a photo of the whole army yet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-2028517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 Thanks Red, thought you might like to see the progress. I dont yet have a "group shot" of everyone, as a) they arent painted and 2) I still havent built the Daemonhosts or bought the last two chimeras. I do however have shots of each squad unprimed but assembled. I'll dig them out. Oh I also painted the assasin and one of the elites, I'll include pics of those too. Elite =][= http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4337.jpg Assasin http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4316.jpg And some green Squads, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4299.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4300.jpg Thats my plasma Squad, I thought theyd better look like nutters :lol: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4295.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4296.jpg and this lot are my versatile Professional soldiers :) The other Elite =][= http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4290.jpg Theres a lot more pictures on My Blog if you're interested, and once I get paint on I'll be sure to post here. I'm quite happy with these guys so far, but i'm anxious as to how theyll play against MEQ. and i'll surely pop on a whole army shot as soon as I get them together :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-2028689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawinator Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I'm guessing you're a big fan of beards eh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-2030026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitas Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 Yes. Beards. Not just limited to Space Wolves you know :D Anyway I thought I'd drop by again and update, I've been busy and have nearly finished these guys, If you want volumes of pictures and some tutorials as always those are on My Blog. Here's the other elite =][= all painted up http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4393.jpg and remember those original acolytes? well I finally got around to painting the last two of those - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4502.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4501.jpg And a new one to help them out. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4504.jpg I've also converted and painted a Daemonhost, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4500.jpg and finished my troops and most of the transports. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4390.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4387.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4368.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4370.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4379.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4367.jpg And retinue members too http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4374.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4380.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Karitas/DSC_4342.jpg So that's what I've been up to, I'd appreciate any comments from the community here. I'm at the moment asking the blog community about how I should paint my Lord, feel free chip in on that issue if you like, I'd appreciate all the help I can get. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166689-excommunicate-tratoris/page/2/#findComment-2044195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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