yergerjo Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 So if the Lectio Divinatus was written by Lorgar prior to him writing the Book of Lorgar, could this possibly be a Chaos spawned book? If so, then the entire aspect of the Emperor being worshiped as a God would then be a Chaos plot. Discuss.... **** 30K/40K Predestination: If the Emperor knew what all was going to happen and was arranging and planning for the future to turn out as it did, then his censure of Lorgar during the Crusade after he had been preaching the Cult of the Emperor, after he had written the Lectio Divinatus, was the single event sparking the entire Heresy. Discuss.... **** Cult of the Emperor/The Big E's Divinity The fastest way to grow a religion, to have it take root as a belief system in as many people as possible is to outlaw it and try to repress it. Discuss.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
yergerjo Posted April 24, 2009 Author Share Posted April 24, 2009 So if the Lectio Divinatus was written by Lorgar prior to him writing the Book of Lorgar, could this possibly be a Chaos spawned book? If so, then the entire aspect of the Emperor being worshiped as a God would then be a Chaos plot. Discuss.... As a Chaos plot, the Chaos gods would have wanted the Emperor to be worshiped since the primary reason for his promotion of the Imperial Truth and overall secularism was to negate or reduce the turbulence of the Warp and the powers of Chaos since they feed on emotion and belief/worship. **** 30K/40K Predestination: If the Emperor knew what all was going to happen and was arranging and planning for the future to turn out as it did, then his censure of Lorgar during the Crusade after he had been preaching the Cult of the Emperor, after he had written the Lectio Divinatus, was the single event sparking the entire Heresy. Discuss.... If Lorgar hadn't fallen, Erebrus wouldn't have caused the near death experience of Horus, which would not have allowed him to be shown Chaos's "TRUTH", hence he wouldn't not have fallen. If Horus hadn't fallen, Fulgrim wouldn't have been convinced to go after Ferrus, Magnus wouldn't have had Russ sent after him (since that was in relation to his contact of the Big E during Horus' trial) nor would that order have been modified by Horus, and Angron would not have been allowed to slip his leash and run rabid. **** Cult of the Emperor/The Big E's Divinity The fastest way to grow a religion, to have it take root as a belief system in as many people as possible is to outlaw it and try to repress it. Discuss.... The Big E wanted to become a god, so after the LD was written he "tried' to stamp out the religion (half-heartedly) causing it grow and take root among the normal masses. The true worship of him would have allowed him to enter into the warp as a god himself in order to destroy the Chaos gods. This was the true goal he was working towards in the dungeons while the Heresy was being set into motion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1965914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 The Big E wanted to become a god, so after the LD was written he "tried' to stamp out the religion (half-heartedly) causing it grow and take root among the normal masses. The true worship of him would have allowed him to enter into the warp as a god himself in order to destroy the Chaos gods. This was the true goal he was working towards in the dungeons while the Heresy was being set into motion. however when the big e has finished his work, the chaos gods could easily be in one form, in his form by destroying such evil he could become the very thing he sought out to kill, as proved in many stories, for instance the primarchs. thanks antique_nova Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1965940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 i am soooo staying away from this thread because if i say something this will most likely end up locked ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1965947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee265 Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 i am soooo staying away from this thread because if i say something this will most likely end up locked :) PM me with it as it should be good then. Also Logar wrote the Lecto Divinicus? I don’t remember that piece of fluff could you give the reference link? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1966146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 Its a short story in Tales of Heresy, Lee265. As a Chaos plot, the Chaos gods would have wanted the Emperor to be worshiped since the primary reason for his promotion of the Imperial Truth and overall secularism was to negate or reduce the turbulence of the Warp and the powers of Chaos since they feed on emotion and belief/worship. Actually, they are a reflection of human emotion - the warp exists as a kind of parallel universe to our own, with the myriad of human emotions expressed as the various pantheons of Chaos. This was the true goal he was working towards in the dungeons while the Heresy was being set into motion. In Collected Visions the Emperor's great project is revealed to be an artifical webway similar to that constructed by the Eldar. It would have ended the need for warp travel, and therefore remove humanities exposure to the warp. This would have severely curtailed the ability of the Chaos gods to influence human affairs, and so its understandable why they made such effort to mess with his plans. You are referring to what Horus was told in his dreams, but this was a lie directed at Horus to make him turn against the Emperor (remember at this point no one knew what the Emperor's plans were, he had kept them secret from everyone). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1966228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 I really like this concept, but I think it's unlikely simply because the fall of Lorgar just started to happening at the moment he got slapped by the Emperor and return home crying. Erebus took this change and his privileged position as advisor to slowly convert him to Chaos during the months he got closed alone in his quarters - and it happened LONG after the lectitio was written. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1966433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 i am soooo staying away from this thread because if i say something this will most likely end up locked ;) PM me with it as it should be good then. Also Logar wrote the Lecto Divinicus? I don’t remember that piece of fluff could you give the reference link? it's not that interesting. it would just end up sparking a 'debate' which would most likely end in a bloodbath ;) at least i think it might lol ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1966772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee265 Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 i am soooo staying away from this thread because if i say something this will most likely end up locked ;) PM me with it as it should be good then. Also Logar wrote the Lecto Divinatus? I don’t remember that piece of fluff could you give the reference link? it's not that interesting. it would just end up sparking a 'debate' which would most likely end in a bloodbath :( at least i think it might lol :) but khorne likes blood ;) and skulls and blood Also scince also the warp doesn't just reflect humanity, and how are we to know chaos didn't influence the writing of the Lectio Divinatus? Chaos seems to have influenced the whole heresy in such a way as to keep humanity around and to feed on them which if correct means chaos is playing for a draw and Humanity for a win which means chaos will get what they want unles Emperor Bob wakes up. As to influencing such a work well it would be a well spring of emotion wich they seem to feed on so its possible but depends on how long they had influence on logar not that he was outright corrupted but how long that chaos held influence. Which scince in 30k/40k a lot of religions are chaos tied and he grew up under religion could have been a very long time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1966971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x_beowolf_x1 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Well that would make sense, if it wasn't for the fact that the whole purpose of the Heresy was to BRING THE IMPERIUM DOWN, not to let it stagnate. I think the way the current Imperium is was just a lucky fluke for the gods, they weren't planning on losing the heresy, but what they got afterwards was quite convenient. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1968344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee265 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Well that would make sense, if it wasn't for the fact that the whole purpose of the Heresy was to BRING THE IMPERIUM DOWN, not to let it stagnate. I think the way the current Imperium is was just a lucky fluke for the gods, they weren't planning on losing the heresy, but what they got afterwards was quite convenient. How do we know it wasn't to stagnate the Imperium/ Just because thats what there flunkies thought don't make it true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1968980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazard Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 I think it is a Chaos plot... We'll see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/166898-spoilers-lectio-divinatus-spoilers/#findComment-1969048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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