Colrouphobic Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 So as some of you may or may not know, I'm doing the primarchs up in paintings, trying to depict them as realistic/painterly as possible (realistic/paintely reffering to painting them up as to make it look as good as possible as far as realimsm goes, whilst retaining the sense of "painting"). I have collected info on those I allready have come some ways with as far as sketches and so on. Now comes the time for my first renegade/traitor Primarch, and I chose Alpharius and Omegon (two for the price of one!). So what I need to know, since I try doing as good research around these paintings as possible, is: Do we know anything about their looks? Where they Blond? Brown haired? Other? Any particular marks on face or body that I need to know (missing limbs, tattoos, scars etc) Armour- what colour? Did they use the same colour on their armour as the legion currently use? Was their armour similar or vastly different? Is there a description of Alpharius', Omegon's or both of them's armour? What iconography is predominantly linked to the Primarchs? I know of the multiheaded hydra in a circular shape, but then what? Is there any other iconography I should know about? (I tend to want to add more iconography then just one sort, it looks more realistic and gives more depth to the character/s. Lack of knowing abut iconography means I have to wing it and come up with my own..not always good). Wargear? Weaponry or items linked to alpharius and/or omegon- is there any described anywhere? I'm putting my trust to the B&C for helping me with this to make the painting as god as possible. What I'm mainly hoping for is some sort of conclusive list of the above to save me from having to read through (litterarily) 100's (if not more) pages of info just to get a list of 10-50 traits or visual keys to make the painting come to life. Thank you in advance guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 They're both described as looking almost exactly identical. Shaven head, dark skin, bright-blue eyes. That's all that comes to mind at the moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1972186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I'll suggest you to read Legion, it worth reading. According to book: - all the Alpha Legion tries to look similar. All shaven, with similar faces. - copper skin, not dark. Described in "Mon Lo Harbour, Nurth, the evening of the day". - None of Alpha Legion had any marks to identify themselves, no decoration and no banners. - As far as I can remember - Omegon commanded infiltrators squads, they had blue-black power armour, other had purple. So Alpharius - purple, Omegon - blue-black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1972213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Do we know anything about their looks?There's a black and white picture of post-heresy Alpharius in their IA. If you check the Literature Index in this forum, under Alpha Legion you'll get the IA book number/WD number. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1972252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherLoki Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 - As far as I can remember - Omegon commanded infiltrators squads, they had blue-black power armour, other had purple. So Alpharius - purple, Omegon - blue-black. Except when Omegon's posing as Alpharius, and someone else is posing as Omegon... It can make your head spin. The front cover of Legion depicts Alpharius in his armour. Much less ornamental than most primarchs.You can't see his face, but he's described as clean shaven and bald with coppery skin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1972259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Except when Omegon's posing as Alpharius, and someone else is posing as Omegon... It can make your head spin. Well, but that alien guys beleived when they saw both of them, and that linguist (can't remember his name) could see the difference. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1972333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 hmmm these two might be the hardest to portray as primarchs. they should normally look like ordinary astartes but bigger. if you're gonna make them helmetless just get the description from Legion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1972471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colrouphobic Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 Cheers guys, I am in no position to get Legion, or any of the other heresy-books really, so I was hoping for a description given anyway- just a description like that shouldn't really violate the copyright. The Index Astartes article I have and the cover for Legion I should be able to find online. Cheers again :angry: it helps. (started sketching them with hair though...need to remove that ^_^ ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1972618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP13 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Do we know anything about their looks?There's a black and white picture of post-heresy Alpharius in their IA. If you check the Literature Index in this forum, under Alpha Legion you'll get the IA book number/WD number. Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that NO 'official' picture of Alpharius exists at all... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1972749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lay Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 John Blanche did the only official artwork I'm aware of. Looks nothing like the description in "Legion" though. And that guy in the IA (the one with the axe I presume) is probably just a regular traitor marine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1972772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Do we know anything about their looks?There's a black and white picture of post-heresy Alpharius in their IA. If you check the Literature Index in this forum, under Alpha Legion you'll get the IA book number/WD number. Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that NO 'official' picture of Alpharius exists at all... Not at all, it was from memory. After having read the IA article last night I don't think it's him. :D However, John Blanche did the only official artwork I'm aware of. Looks nothing like the description in "Legion" though. And that guy in the IA (the one with the axe I presume) is probably just a regular traitor marine. See now he could be, or he could actually be Alpharius. The only real hint we have is the UM report in IA:AL that speaks of them being attacked by "the primarch" and nothing could stand before his "power sword". The guy in the image I'm thinking of is wielding an axe. If we go by pre-Legion fluff, it most likely isn't Alpharius as I'm sure an Ultramarine would know the difference between a normal marine and a Primarch, and as he states in his report, the AL Primarch was wielding a Power Sword. But, if we add the recent fluff addition from Legion, That Primarch could just as well have been Omegon. Actually it could be a ) a random AL marine, b ) Omegon, or c ), Alpharius in that image. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1973439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colrouphobic Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 Cheers guys, any kind of info that will help me is welcome. I'm always looking to get as accurate as possible paintings done. Of course, as soon as it comes to personal prefference I cannot make everyone happy, but anything that is written or shown in an image that could let me know... The IA was...illuminating but mostly that the height of Alpharius was described...also..he had green eyes there...not much else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1975540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lay Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I wouldn't trust IA that much. The account that describes Alpharius' height and eye colour is taken from a log which a rather dubious Inquisitor found. The Inquisitor himself didn't believe it was 100% truthful nor did he share it for independent examination. Also, Legion describes his eyes as cold blue I think. As for his armour, in Legion it seems fairly unremarkable, but in Fulgrim he wears something more "resplendent" (sadly no detailed description). And then there's the depiction by John Blanche. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1975587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 uhm it doesn't matter if IA:AL is 'corrupted' because there are no other descriptions bar Legion edit: that John Blanche depiction isn't nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1976170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colrouphobic Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 cheers guys... Work-in-progress to be found in....work-in-progress topic :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167363-alphariusomegon-queries/#findComment-1979792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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