whitewolfmxc Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 ok , this was a somewhat heated debate with me and my mate , which he claims my wolves arent a Retinue or bodyguard his arguing the codex has nothing saying the wolves are retinue or bodyguard...........and he said they with a IC cant join a Squad if they ARE retinue....and the codex says nothing about wolves able to stop the IC being picked out in CC........ok you guys tell me the answer to this ? im speechless right now lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 IMHO, I think they were not retinue as they are not called "retinue, or bodyguard". I agree if you do consider them a retinue or BG they cannot join another unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1972279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 it says in the bit at front of dex about the wolves that they may join a squad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1972281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 it says in the bit at front of dex about the wolves that they may join a squad This ^^ Which pretty much settles the argument. they are neither retinue or bodyguard... And another reminder that I need to get myself some wolves... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1972282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 But this : "They may not move outside the IC and must always stay within 2 inch of him , they may not chose to leave the IC at anytime , they may take wounds for the unit" it suits the same wordings as the retinue rules , and the BRB says the names can differ , its just says usually they are named "body guard" etc etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1972287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 If they were a retinue, the IC with the wolves would not be allowed to join another unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1972289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 Yes , thats why its written in the wolves rules , its like saying tyrant guard cant join a hive tyrant sine BRB says you cant but codex says you can ......and tyrant guard is still a retinue.....the rules in the codex amends the rules in the red book PS: if your not a retinue you cant allocate wounds CC in on them for the IC ( in codex it says remove as casualty for the unit meaning IC since the IC and wolves can chose NOT to join another squad, the wolves with IC alone can only be counted as retinues to do that ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1972294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 The thing to remember is that a fenrisian wolf essentiall counts as a wargear upgrade, rather than a command squad upgrade. It's a way to add on ablative wounds and extra attacks to your IC, as you can allocate wounds from a Wolf lord down onto the wolves. It's true that in CC, you will be able to single out the wolf lord from the wolves, as they are not a bodyguard. However, this is rather pointless, as the lord is harder to hit, harder to wound, and wounds can be placed on the wolves instead of the lord in the end! As they are wargear upgrades (think an attack squig for an orc), they do allow the lord and his wolves to join another unit. He can even take a WGBG, which WOULD count as a retinue, allowing him to not be targeted in CC, and the wolves can take wounds for the unit overall. This can actually be a very solid strategy to help conserve points costs! And also, an IC with wolves must follow the rules for IC's in the main rulebook, so if they were to be within 2" of another unit, they would then join that unit. Having wolves does not allow an IC to operate outside of the main rules. I think the problem is that you are insisting on thinking of the wolves as a separate entity as the lord, where in actuality they are just another part of the IC itself, just being represented by another model. It doesnt make him having a retinue, he can still join other units, he can still have a bodyguard/retinue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1972418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I am personally surprised that the Exterminatussock hasn't been seen yet. this has been covered many times in the past Big points: 1) They don't count as a retinue 2) They can join other units. 3) If you are going to put a wound on a wolf, you use the wolf's save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1972454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 Yes , but last time i got a different answer as well , thanks for OnlyInDeath's answer . In that case the wolf doesn't matter it counts as Retinue or not they still do the same thing as one Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1972924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Yes , but last time i got a different answer as well , thanks for OnlyInDeath's answer . In that case the wolf doesn't matter it counts as Retinue or not they still do the same thing as one No, something isn't anything until it has been called as such, :) If it doesn't say its a retinue, it isn't one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1973034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Its Wargear...as weird as it is to have a 6ft tall wolf as wargear...its wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1973546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Its Wargear...as weird as it is to have a 6ft tall wolf as wargear...its wargear. 3.5 Chaos had Warhounds as Wargear, Orkz have Squigz (uv severul types, no less), and there were rules for 4th Edition characters to take critters of all sorts as wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1973787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 hey dont forget the dress angle mummy gets a umpaloompa as wargear (thats azrael and his pet ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1973845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Well Schmee (it's what my friend named him once in a game, so I stuck with it. Don't judge me!) doesn't have rules (invulnerability is not a rule, it is a state of being), so I don't really count him as a Wargear thing. If I remember correctly, it's just an extra if you don't want model Papa Dress Marine to actually wear the Lion Helm. which by the way, I totally swear I didn't steal the Lion Helm, fill it with karniverous face-eatin' squigz then return it to the Rock fer kicks and giggles. Muhcarfur totally did that... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1973853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Well Schmee (it's what my friend named him once in a game, so I stuck with it. Don't judge me!) doesn't have rules (invulnerability is not a rule, it is a state of being), so I don't really count him as a Wargear thing. If I remember correctly, it's just an extra if you don't want model Papa Dress Marine to actually wear the Lion Helm. which by the way, I totally swear I didn't steal the Lion Helm, fill it with karniverous face-eatin' squigz then return it to the Rock fer kicks and giggles. Muhcarfur totally did that... :) Another reason to not wear a helmet.......... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1973868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 use searchy my friend ^_^ http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=155305 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1973899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 hey dont forget the dress angle mummy gets a umpaloompa as wargear (thats azrael and his pet ) Kinda creepy isnt it? like the thing from that one island of dr whats his name... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1974024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 use searchy my friend :) http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=155305 Of course wolf brother ! but the thread isnt helpful but to prove my original point is it ? it says the wolves are............. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=147859 "Q - Do fenrisian wolves count as wargear or a retinue? A - Fenrisian wolves count as a retinue and do not take from the 100point wargear limit." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1974073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 use searchy my friend :D http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=155305 Of course wolf brother ! but the thread isnt helpful but to prove my original point is it ? it says the wolves are............. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=147859 "Q - Do fenrisian wolves count as wargear or a retinue? A - Fenrisian wolves count as a retinue and do not take from the 100point wargear limit." That's B&C FAQ, not GW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1974202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 I know lol im just pointing out how the same question can come up many times but with different answers like the conclusion of the link of that first post says the wolves are retinue , and i posted the same questions some months ago in another thread (hijacked it a bit) , and got at lest 3 people telling me they are retinue.........thats why i felt like to really find the right answer this time XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167383-fenrisian-wolve-rules-retinue/#findComment-1974436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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